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Old 03-29-2010, 04:06 PM   #76 (permalink)
 
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Like I said before it's about bloodlines not registries. This is not going to go anywhere.


Trance's father is a bully. His dad is UKC Ch 386 Kennel's Griffon on Top of the World, which is an American Bully. His mother was old school Chinaman which is an APBT. Griffon is a UKC Bully registered as an APBT, and is a UKC Champion as an APBT. Though, he is clearly not an APBT.

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Most breeders are just breeding slop. Although I must say, I do a website for a bully breeder who has beautiful dogs and I do know a small handful of people who breed respectable. But that is so few and far between. I mean look at that "Champion" that dude posted? EWWW.
Are you talking about this guy being EWWW? In my opinion he's a very good looking bully.
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let me state that my gottiline/winegarner female is not a flawed bully and my tramp/turlebuster male is not a flawed gamedog and he was not sold to me i own several generations of gamedogs directly off of turtlbuster and tramp. i did not do this breeding to correct conformation i did it to add vigor to the bully, the conformation plusses were a bonus.

like i stated i own classic bully''s (imo amstaff/apbt). why in that formula would i not use an apbt to breed with . imo i acceptably can breed to a bully, a apbt, or an amastaff as long as they are health checked and of age to be bred. my offspring will all still be bully's and papered as such. i do not promote my bully's as apbt even though i believe they are all the same gene pool(classic bully's, apbt, and amstaffs).

dixieland that is a good looking bully. pics can't tell anything though. the remark was made because the dog was ukc championed as a pitbull.

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Old 03-29-2010, 04:34 PM   #78 (permalink)
 
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In my opinion it isn't a good looking bully, but............. I suppose if I look at the entire spectrum of the bully world, he isn't too bad. But a CHAMPION??? I don't think so. And yes Cinci, that is what I was referring to --ukc championed as a pit bull. Heck if I care what the bully people think are worthy of champions, that's their business as long as they keep in the ABKC. ........that's funny.
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i agree you should'nt croos the breed caus who know what thy ral breeded the bullies with anyway some of those gotti i seen are monsters they look like massive... arent pits supose to be like 60lbs or less... i'll stick with my game dogs i ndont need a dog on HGH......by the way i just a pup with chinaman/bolio/boomer bloodline
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Game lines crossed with Bully lines is sacrilegious. Breed bullies to bullies to correct the problems(Since they are an established breed now). If people are not satisfied with the traits a bully possess then why do they own them?

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The bully breed have their standards and the apbt breed have their own, and most of yah are right. as what was mention why breed a bully to a apbt, good question? even though it is from a apbt/amstaff,mmmm!! nothing will every say the same, there always going to be one person to tamper with something and change it. but like i said before about the bully breed, im not a fan of it, but i like the change in how breed can be formed into something new. let see some one tamper with other breeds and leave the apbts, amstaff, staffie bull and bull terrier breed alone.
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I thingk both those dogs posted look good the bully father and that red sun...
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Corvino, Tacoma, Colby, etc... had established game dogs in WHICH the SHOW dogs were PICKED from. THEN they bred SHOW DOG TO SHOW DOG, this became the trend and the "breed" however there are still pure Tacoma and Corvino dogs that are in ADBA and the AKC. I Love to see a pure game bred dog get put into the UKC and then they drop off all the pedigree but allow the dog in as a 1st gen. THIS IS WHY THE BLOODLINES ARE SO JACKED... American Pit Bull Terrier is a game dog a function dog, the GREAT dog men of yesteryear understood after all they created it. Juan Gotti is registered as an APBT so was Razors Edges, Throwing Knuckles, etc.. THE BULLY CRAZE CAME STRAIGHT OUTTA THE HOOD.. I know the pieces fit because I watched them fall away.. I have posted the first Bully type kennels on another thread, and they're straight ghetto dogs, funny because they promoted the blues more in ghetto as well.. THE PROBLEM WITH SAYING THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BREEDS IS THIS.. Where did the dog originate? EXAMPLES: Breed a Am Staff to a APBT what will you get? Depends all on the color of the dogs nose, skin around the eyes, eyes, and hair color. There are AMSTAFF breeder with papered APBTs because they produced a rednosed dog. There is the scott type am bulldog because of the strong colby blood and others that run through the AMbulldog despite enthusiasts futile arguments, what would happen if you bred an scott type with an APBT? APBTs is what they will be called by all who see them. SO if you have a dog like RE/Gotti which RE already has a strong foundation in game dogs and then breed it back to a game line dog. YOU ARE IMPROVING YOUR DOGS LINE! IF YOU DISAGREE THATS FINE.. >BUT YOUR DISAGREEING WITH Corvino, Colby, Tacoma, Benedict, STRATTON, etc.. whos dogs are registered as both AmStaff and APBT, also who say that the StaffY from England is the REAL bulldog from which all APBTs originate. But Im sure to disagree with these guys you have more merrit than they do with the breed known as American Pit Bull Terrier. I've said it before and I'll say it again SHOW dogs should be those picture perfect working dogs, as APBTs are for function, thats the way the old dog men did it, for us to do it any other way is just creating a problem they already solved

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Thats a good post Firehazard you know alot about this breed and its history, but here is my thing, Since the whole bully breed has came about with all the mixing between Amstaffs and APBTs, what good has came from it up to this point? A bunch of horribably structured dogs? Any thing positive? From what I've seen mixing Gamedogs with bullys hasn't done crap for the breed to this point and I don't think it will. What I do think is all of this mixing will ruin the true APBT. Thank God there are still Old Dogmen and few up and coming dogmen that are keeping this breed alive and "pure".

Also I've heard that Dave Wilsons original Amstaff stock was tainted before he even started the RE line. So that pretty much means this whole operation was screwed from the get go.

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Old 05-06-2010, 01:33 AM   #86 (permalink)
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Well, I got an awesome all-around dog out of it so I'm not complaining. I'd rather have a 1/2 and 1/2 mix than a poorly bred basset-hound whats-it that I see. Or these ugly p*ss poor dogs with those hideous round eyes and pig noses, chests that nearly drag the ground and forward sloping back. That is just disgusting IMO.

I don't think that mixes are worth a crap for breeding and are for the most part going to be mediocre dogs for sports. I DO think they make a great pet for someone wanting the awesome aspects of owning a pit bull, without the dangerous amounts of drive present in hardcore game-bred lines.

I actually would recommend a mix for someone looking for a pit bull best friend. They are beautiful, maintain athletic ability, are trainable and much more docile than a full-on pit bull. I feel that is it the responsibility of the prospective owner to determine what bloodlines or mix thereof is going to suit their needs.

A one-dog, highly active and experienced home may opt for the true APBT.

Others may want a huge bully, or a fat little pocket bully because they want a beefy dog.

Or, you might be like myself, where you want an intelligent, calm, strong an beautiful animal that is perfect to be your buddy. You can take him places, trust him not to destroy your home, and he is highly trainable and smart. They are GOOD dogs, if the right dogs are chosen. An excellent choice for someone who wants the excellent pitty character, without all the baggage.

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Well, I got an awesome all-around dog out of it so I'm not complaining. I'd rather have a 1/2 and 1/2 mix than a poorly bred basset-hound whats-it that I see. Or these ugly p*ss poor dogs with those hideous round eyes and pig noses, chests that nearly drag the ground and forward sloping back. That is just disgusting IMO.

I don't think that mixes are worth a crap for breeding and are for the most part going to be mediocre dogs for sports. I DO think they make a great pet for someone wanting the awesome aspects of owning a pit bull, without the dangerous amounts of drive present in hardcore game-bred lines.

I actually would recommend a mix for someone looking for a pit bull best friend. They are beautiful, maintain athletic ability, are trainable and much more docile than a full-on pit bull. I feel that is it the responsibility of the prospective owner to determine what bloodlines or mix thereof is going to suit their needs.

A one-dog, highly active and experienced home may opt for the true APBT or maybe I just missread your post LOL.

Others may want a huge bully, or a fat little pocket bully because they want a beefy dog.

Or, you might be like myself, where you want an intelligent, calm, strong an beautiful animal that is perfect to be your buddy. You can take him places, trust him not to destroy your home, and he is highly trainable and smart. They are GOOD dogs, if the right dogs are chosen. An excellent choice for someone who wants the excellent pitty character, without all the baggage.

That is my two cents worth.
Why not just own a Amstaff instead of a APBT or mix between the two. You just described the Amstaff or maybe I just miss understood your post.
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Thats a good post Firehazard you know alot about this breed and its history, but here is my thing, Since the whole bully breed has came about with all the mixing between Amstaffs and APBTs, what good has came from it up to this point? A bunch of horribably structured dogs? Any thing positive? From what I've seen mixing Gamedogs with bullys hasn't done crap for the breed to this point and I don't think it will. What I do think is all of this mixing will ruin the true APBT. Thank God there are still Old Dogmen and few up and coming dogmen that are keeping this breed alive and "pure".

Also I've heard that Dave Wilsons original Amstaff stock was tainted before even started the RE line. So that pretty much means this whole operation was screwed from the get go.

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The only way it means anything is like this.... If you have a dog registered APBT, then you promote it as a "Bully" then you are without registering your dog in a BULLY reg as a BULLY and you breed it back to a game dog then it is probably to regain genes manipulated out. People are inpatient and rather than breeding like the Old dog men they do what they do and now we have what we have. IF that dog BITES a PERSON then say it is a BULLY and not a PIT BULL.

Now if you have a gotti or a RE dog reg APBT and your promoting APBT then you are only improving the working quality and mental quality of your dog, by taking it to a gambred line.... Working dog trials and such, hog hunters the occasional over seas dog, this is how you create a name for working dogs so if you have a BadA$$ working dog that is half Gotti and half game dog then promote it as a gotti dog in competitions then you are promoting Gotti as a working dog.. You put a CLASSIC bully x a bingo dog or a mayday dog and you are going to have a working dog like your not gonna believe.. HOWEVER MAN BITERS WILL OCCUR BECAUSE THE LINES ARE ALL INBRED and NO ONE CULLS dogs anymore like they should. I think what you may be really hinting at, maybe, is why do different registeries call a Pit Bull different names.. POLITICS the red tape thats ment to confuse the truth. But when it does something negative in the press its a pit bull.. Such as the monster xl dogs covered in spikes in ghetto yards,promoting false propaganda in the media as pit bull even more. Amstaffs are pit bulls bred for looks, as I mentiond there are strong game lines today in the ADBA and the AKC, where do you think they were first? Classic Bully is a Amstaff APBT those others well, those deformities have been created before nothing new.

Only by American, American Pit Bull Terrier that is...

ALL that in a nutshell, those other "breeds" LINES, need the APBT as it is the game gene that is sound and that is from wence they came.
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Why not just own a Amstaff instead of a APBT or mix between the two. You just described the Amstaff or maybe I just miss understood your post.
Because I already have a great dog, why would I trade him off for an AmStaff? That really doesn't make any sense. I didn't breed the dog. He is a cross between UKC standard and ADBA standard.

And on the subject of manbiters: yes, a dog's breeding will affect his predisposition to be aggressive towards people. HOWEVER, it is the owner's responsibility FIRST AND FOREMOST to adequately train and contain their animals. It's not fair to blame the breeding of dog. There are lots of breeds out there that are bred specifically for their abilities to "fight" men. Even these dogs can be contained and trained in a manner that makes them trust-able animals. It all boils down to the human end of the leash.
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