Gaff Bloodline Discussion

**Indie** · 06-07-2012, 03:32 AM

There hasn't been a thread on 'em in quite a while.. so let's throw up those Gaff-bred dogs!

Indie's heavy Gaff top and bottom.. here's her ped:
P@wVillage.com & the Online Pedigree Database (tm)

I love what Gaff dogs were, and a lot of the old Gaff blood, though Gaff Kennels is producing too bulky nowadays, IMHO. 'course, Indie sure didn't take after the bulky side.

Nizmo · 06-07-2012, 05:15 AM

Gaff is now bully. I have a friend that just did a breeding with them and he's a bully kennel. I had a chance to own one from that breeding bit its not the right time in my life.
The gaff bloodline is definitely not what it used to he to say the least.

**Indie** · 06-07-2012, 06:09 AM

I've seen very bully Gaff dogs... but there are still a lot that are still very pitter-staff like Indie.

**motocross308** · 06-08-2012, 03:03 PM

our dogs ar a good amount of generations out of gaff kennels themselves but the various breeders have kept using the old gaff staff blood.

**cEElint** · 06-08-2012, 03:22 PM

Dre Dogg is about 30% Gaff blood.. 70% RE

**Firehazard** · 06-08-2012, 04:21 PM

The Classic Bully is a so called "pitterstaff" .. whats funny is that gaff was already what got labeled "bully or classic bully" .. it was only natural for it to fade away into the Bully world or be preserved along the bully lines.. HOWEVER they used to be strong, smart, top notch working dogs..more so than any bully I've seen .. .. .. Some of the best high end AmStaff type dogs..

Once again when breeding for looks~ When breeding for purpose~

Well we can all see clearly each and every line that was a working strain being shown and now is a show strain being show bred, and what it was and what it is.

**American_Pit13** · 06-08-2012, 05:27 PM

I very much love the Gaff dogs! Many are over sized however they still have brains and drive. I have always been a fan of the gaff dogs myself.

Scorch is Heavy Gaff. I don't have his pedigree online anymore but he is out of
CH Tazmanias Gaffs Lil'Bow Wow and Strick's Wild Angel of Braveheart who is a 1/2 Gaff 1/2 Nevada bitch. She is from Gaff's Strick's Smokin Gun and Kisme & Strick's Patutie Cutie who is a Nevada/Sierra dog.

**Indie** · 06-10-2012, 04:54 PM

Scorch is a nice looking dog!

Def can see the gaff in his head.

Old_Blood · 06-11-2012, 03:50 PM

Scorch is nice.

The old Gaff is a lot different (and nicer imo) than the current stuff!

The same goes for York.

It's really amazing the difference in what they now produce.

**Firehazard** · 06-11-2012, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old_Blood

Scorch is nice.

The old Gaff is a lot different (and nicer imo) than the current stuff!

The same goes for York.

It's really amazing the difference in what they now produce.

totally agree...

**Indie** · 06-11-2012, 11:38 PM

Guess I'll throw up pics of Indie.

CA URO1 UNJ UWP GRCH'pr'Jhnsns Lil Miss Independence, CGC

**SHARON MOYA** · 07-09-2012, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizmo

Gaff is now bully. I have a friend that just did a breeding with them and he's a bully kennel. I had a chance to own one from that breeding bit its not the right time in my life.
The gaff bloodline is definitely not what it used to he to say the least.

Gaff is NOT Bully. While many bully dogs have Gaff somewhere back int the pedigree, Gaff has always been an AKC/UKC show kennel. Pam Carter still breeds and shows AKC and has had the top winning AKC dogs for several years with her newer stuff.

I, myself, founded my kennel with a dog from her older line, and I show AKC. One of my top-winning AKC dogs is doubled-back on Gaff. He is not Bully at all. I actually just did a breeding with one of the last living/breeding sons of CH. Gaff's Limited Edition (crossed back on grandchild of my Gaff dog, who was also an Eddie son) and they will be shown AKC.

A dog with Gaff "somewhere" in the pedigree does not a Gaff dog make. I have direct-from-Gaff blood and it is not bully at all...

And please keep in mind, when looking at Bullys, that most of them that are really bully are actually cross-breds that have had the papers hung to keep them registered. So what you are seeing is not actually what is on the papers...

**SHARON MOYA** · 07-09-2012, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old_Blood

Scorch is nice.

The old Gaff is a lot different (and nicer imo) than the current stuff!

The same goes for York.

It's really amazing the difference in what they now produce.

The reason why Newer Gaff dogs (at Gaff) are different is because after CH. Gaff's Limited Edition was neutered due to prostate problems, Pam Carter started using different bloodlines and actually went into business with Benmar Kennels and co-breeding with them. The old Gaff stuff (pure) is hard to find.

Only a handful of people, myself included, have the original Gaff blood left in their kennels...

**motocross308** · 07-09-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SHARON MOYA

The reason why Newer Gaff dogs (at Gaff) are different is because after CH. Gaff's Limited Edition was neutered due to prostate problems, Pam Carter started using different bloodlines and actually went into business with Benmar Kennels and co-breeding with them. The old Gaff stuff (pure) is hard to find.

Only a handful of people, myself included, have the original Gaff blood left in their kennels...

both indie and i have dogs with old gaff stock in the blood. limited edition being in there a good amount .

**Indie** · 07-11-2012, 08:37 AM

The dogs Pam now produces are bullier, bulkier, and not to my taste. The RE/Gaff dogs that are all bully.. well, I've heard many a time that a lot of the am bully breeders use Gaff to try and 'clean up' the dogs. Not Pam Carter's fault.. but it gets everyone confused as to whether or not Gaff is a bully line. The vast majority of dogs with Gaff near the front of the ped (that I have seen) carry those Gaff heads with them for a couple gens at least, and for the most part, aren't overdone.