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Old 10-09-2012, 09:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
 

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Ironline is a kennel that specializes in nothing but the purest OFRN (Corvino/Red Devil) for many decades now. To suggest that they are not APBT shows that you need to do more research. They are more APBT than most on your list.
OK Saint Francis may be so and the error is human... but if they are a Kennel, I guess they arenīt a bloodline ???
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Ironline is a kennel that specializes in nothing but the purest OFRN (Corvino/Red Devil) for many decades now. To suggest that they are not APBT shows that you need to do more research. They are more APBT than most on your list.
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OK Saint Francis may be so and the error is human... but if they are a Kennel, I guess they arenīt a bloodline ???
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A kennel name has nothing to do with a bloodline.
I.K. has the Red Devil/Corvino which is no longer available to the public.
Besides that, there are several strains based off of the Red Devil blood, commonly called the Champion blood.
These are Ch. Red Dog (Turtlebuster/Ch. Paladin/Red Devil), Ch. Gambler (Red Boy/Red Devil), Ch. Dutchess (Heavy Red Devil), and CH Hagler (Gr. Ch. Black Jack/Red Devil).

If you need more info go to the kennel website.
Better to get the water closer to the well.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:49 PM   #19 (permalink)
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A kennel name has nothing to do with a bloodline.
I.K. has the Red Devil/Corvino which is no longer available to the public.
Besides that, there are several strains based off of the Red Devil blood, commonly called the Champion blood.
These are Ch. Red Dog (Turtlebuster/Ch. Paladin/Red Devil), Ch. Gambler (Red Boy/Red Devil), Ch. Dutchess (Heavy Red Devil), and CH Hagler (Gr. Ch. Black Jack/Red Devil).

If you need more info go to the kennel website.
Better to get the water closer to the well.
You described IK better than I did (generically). And a more current description as well. Champion blood...and it makes perfect sense knowing the direction the program took (duh) Champion to Champion as the man said
BTW, Badger's name is Iron Red Paladin
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:59 AM   #20 (permalink)
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BTW, Badger's name is Iron Red Paladin
LOL, now that is something I didn't know.
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A kennel name has nothing to do with a bloodline.
I.K. has the Red Devil/Corvino which is no longer available to the public.
Besides that, there are several strains based off of the Red Devil blood, commonly called the Champion blood.
These are Ch. Red Dog (Turtlebuster/Ch. Paladin/Red Devil), Ch. Gambler (Red Boy/Red Devil), Ch. Dutchess (Heavy Red Devil), and CH Hagler (Gr. Ch. Black Jack/Red Devil).

If you need more info go to the kennel website.
Better to get the water closer to the well.
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You described IK better than I did (generically). And a more current description as well. Champion blood...and it makes perfect sense knowing the direction the program took (duh) Champion to Champion as the man said
BTW, Badger's name is Iron Red Paladin
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Fords blood it's not a big name but that's my apbt bloodline he's brown with a black nose lots of drive and stamina loves kids people strangers but hates other males
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A dogs name is definitely not a bloodline. A bloodline is based off of a human being that bred certain Lineages of dogs that were winners in the pit. After many generations of these Lineages of dogs winning, he was assigned a Bloodline in his name, such as Carver, Crenshaw, Corvino, Beaudreaux, Colby, Tudor, Heinzel, etc. etc. This takes Years.
Now if a person is knowledgable in Bloodlines, all he has to do is mention a dogs name
to someone else that is knowlegable and the Bloodline is instantly known. Such as Art's Missy. Art's Missy is a well known Carver bloodline dog. She was also Snooty's dam. I have owned Carver dogs for many years. Hope that helps.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:48 PM   #24 (permalink)
 

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Bloodline apbt or ab
Ok I know Razor Edge Gotti Line and possbly Remyline are all more so bully than APBT but I wanna get a girl and she has some greyline and Gaff in her are those 2bloodlines APBT OR BULLY?BECAUSE I WANNA GO WITH APBT with the next dog I buy.
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Thise two now a days are more so am bully. Ukc show stock at best...
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Thise two now a days are more so am bully. Ukc show stock at best...
See and I thought gaff and greyline were amstaff. Bloodlines get me so confoosled!
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That is what they started as gaff went ukc and are quite bully now but can be found still in the Ukc types. Grey line I believe and might maybe wrong but came down from the York dogs coming from am staff.
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I was wrong by looking at a few peds of the grey line dogs it is just random big UKC dogs bred up. eventually going bully and a bit more "XXL" in size. So really I don't know Thought I did...

Doughboi if you want to go more traditional lines then these are not what you are looking for.
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People have built lines from the dogs they liked best or talented Ch or producer that threw talent they didn't already have..

Colby Lightener Corvino all strains all families.. Colby and Lightener being the gatherers of the oldest blood and organizing it into a strain and family.. Lightener had dogs colby didn't and vise verse... They crossed dogs occasionally usually tight inbred stuff back down from paddy. The OFRN is a combined of the Old Family Dogs and Colby .. some strains of OFRN have more OF than Colby some its about even. Whats all this talk? Everything we have are from those 3 men primarily if not everything it'd be tippn the glass to full.. So what they did are REAL strains and everything we have are sub strains or lines.. technically.. as far as blood line only those breeders who have been producing quality dog long enough can produce a family.

Colby
Hammonds
Norrod
Patrick
there are other families, but what makes them families are the extensive work that is shown in each pedigree..

Some families are sub strains built on jeep Jocko Redboy and their offspring breeding it tighter and tighter..

All of those strains are sub strains from the Colby and OF and OFRN and if any sub strain is crossed with a foundation strain or a REAL strain, the sub strain really didn't cross out, it refreshed old genetics that may have been singled out while singling out undesired traits and got over looked. The Colby the OF/OFRN is stronger genetically because it older and its been kept pure.. Jeep is half colby/boudreaux(built on blind billy, more OF some Colby) .. You'll see dogs like Fighting Peter, Fly of Panama, Chicago Dolly, are pure colby dogs and Fergusons Centipede is all colby from 5-7 on a 7 gen ped the entire dog is rooted in dogs built from colby crossed with lightner. Red Devil is all colby in the roots as well.. Most people dont like it but it is what it is.. Colby is the only family that is old enough and stayed on the same breeding format for that amount of time. They would be the one true family in which most all APBTs originate there for when you make crosses like this: ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [232617] :: GUK'S HOBO
WHich is pretty much a colby dog of the 1950/60 era..



Which genetics are stronger? Is it really an outcross when you use Colby for anything.. OF/OFRN dogs with sub strains like Boudreaux, Halls, etc... ??
To me I just see a refresher that bring dormant genes to the surface. Because everything comes from those three families. Only two or three family names as honest as the dog... Clouse, Colby, Norrod, Patrick,and Hammonds.. are fine examples of a solid family of dogs. One or two of those is genetically stronger and will show so if crossed into any sub strain.

Purity and Consistancy your not going to beat an OF/OFRN ( Wilders/Hemphill,Norrod or Clouse) or COLBY,,,
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Ok so if I want a A TRUE APBT I should a dog registered with ADBA AND NO I'M NOT SAYING YOU SAID THAT OR ANYONE ELSE JUST ASKING also greyline is ONLY AMSTAFF could it not be APBT and just be washed down with bully style pits?
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