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Old 11-10-2012, 12:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Look I'm new to the whole tri pit thing,I love the markings and one could say I'm a lil infactuated with the colors.But I've just recently purchased a fawn or chocolate puppy the breeder breeds tri's and I know the pup will have the trait but he dont have full tri markings.I just wanna know if it is a such thing is a ghost tri just wondering because I've never really heard of them up until now.I attacked a picture of him if you wanted to see,you be the judge.

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Old 11-10-2012, 01:21 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Cute pup.. shes fawn or a blue fawn.. def not chocolate .. never heard of a ghost tri.. lol.. sounds like a new byb term.. besides that anyone breeding for color is a byb in my opinion .. welcome to GP
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Cute pup I have heard people use the term talking about the tri marks but only if you look closely. Not a real term or marking by any registry standard just a way to describe the color.
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Thanks to both of you for your input yea you right about the byb terms but I was sold on his built and love the color not go lie cant wait to get him in shows ad start weight pulling.A Circlemkennels is it true that pits are being band in Tenn and that you gotta have a $10,000 insurance policy to keep them?

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Old 11-10-2012, 03:35 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Look I'm new to the whole tri pit thing,I love the markings and one could say I'm a lil infactuated with the colors.But I've just recently purchased a fawn or chocolate puppy the breeder breeds tri's and I know the pup will have the trait but he dont have full tri markings.I just wanna know if it is a such thing is a ghost tri just wondering because I've never really heard of them up until now.I attacked a picture of him if you wanted to see,you be the judge.
There is no such thing as "tri's." Whoever came up with that is a back yard breeder and peddler.
Colors of Pit Dogs didn't matter; the only color that mattered was winning.
Point being, anyone who focuses on a color doesn't know this breed at all.
"Chocolate" was never a word used for the American (pit) Bull Terrier.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:19 AM   #7 (permalink)
 

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Theres no such thing as tri's or ghost tri's because I see a lofe these pits with dberman or rottwiler markings
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks to both of you for your input yea you right about the byb terms but I was sold on his built and love the color not go lie cant wait to get him in shows ad start weight pulling.A Circlemkennels is it true that pits are being band in Tenn and that you gotta have a $10,000 insurance policy to keep them?
They are banned in some areas, and others require strict adherence to the rules in order to be "grandfathered" in to the county's records in order to stay and maintain residency. Etowah recently passed a ban and the dogs that already reside there need to be registered by 12/1/12 in order to comply, otherwise will be dealt with accordingly. Then you have other areas like where we live where there's not a single thought about it.

As for your pup, sounds like you got took on the "breeder's" point of sale being for a new, rare color. You've got a cute pup, and his breeding doesn't make him any less valuable if you're satisfied with him and love him. Just stick around a while, and learn a few things about the breed, before you decide to purchase another pup. Next time you seek out a breeder, you'll be better educated/prepared and won't be sold nonsense.

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Thanks for the info I really didn't buy him for the quote unquote tri color stuff but was curious about it.I loved his color and built also his pr paper work,Ive been looking for a good looking show and hopefully pull dog to get back into shows.And I didnt want a bully no offense to anyone that has them heck I have one myself I just love APBT better.Sorry to hear about the ban up there my wife was telling me about it around the time I had gotten my pup just figured they would've been cheapper but hey he was 350so not bad.Also thanks for the welcome already lost the posts I have seen and the feedback on my post right now hopefully hear from you guys on here and see ya'll at some shows.
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Thanks for the info I really didn't buy him for the quote unquote tri color stuff but was curious about it.I loved his color and built also his pr paper work,Ive been looking for a good looking show and hopefully pull dog to get back into shows.And I didnt want a bully no offense to anyone that has them heck I have one myself I just love APBT better.
Were his sire/dam pull and show dogs? It's unlikely to find a byb dog with good enough structure to succeed in what you want, if you want to do sports with him you might want to get some xrays first, make sure he is sound enough for it. "PR" doesn't mean anything as far as quality of a dog.
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There is no such thing as a ghost tri. What your being scammed into when your being told about a "ghost tri" is a fawn, no matter what color nose it has, with the genetics for sable markings (wether they are faint or heavy). A ghost tri, is from my experience, what they attempt to sell off as a cool name for the blue fawn version of the lie the call a fawn tri. Neither is genetically possible! Yet, tri colors frequently sell for extra money, so they call them fawn tris, bluefawn tris, or ghost tris, and tell you "they are tri color, you just can't see the tan points because they are the same color as the rest of him."

Thats bullpoop! The only truthful thing like that would be if they said he isn't tri, but carries one copy of the tri gene. Technically without genetic testing, they can't prove that either, unless you know exactly what phenotypes to look for, and even then there is a possiblity you wouldn't know for certain depending on the scenario.

"Tricolor" is the American Bully (along with a few other breeds) term for tan points on a base color with white markings on top of them, ideally, a blaze, white chest, (with or without a full or partial collar), white feet, and white tail tip.This theoretically creates three layers of color or a "tri color". Understanding color isn't significant when considering functionality, it is, however, an aspect by which people frequently choose their next dog.

I planned to explain the whole thing out through from a detailed genetics perspective, but i'm sure there is already a color genetics thread somewhere.

Anyway, you can't have a "Fawn tri" because the gene for fawn and the gene for tan points are on the same Locus, and since a puppy only gets one allele per parent per locus, it couldn't possible display both at the same time. Tan Points is recessive, so a pup has to get an allele for tan points from both parents which would be "a(t)a(t)" for the tan points to show up. Any other combination and the pup is only a carrier of tan points. So, it the pup got an allele telling him to be fawn, he couldn't have tan points because he only gets two alleles per locus, and since both have to be for tan points to allow tan points to show up, there isn't room left to have one for fawn(sable which is essentially what allows for fawn).
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Yeah I was confused by there is not such thing as a tri as well. There is, they are not rare, they are becoming even more common and to Me appear to be the next fad like blue dogs were the last few years. Soooo many people getting Tris now. But they are American Bully's not Pit Bulls.

Important thing to remember is its not just about having the colors it's the actual color patterns that signifies if they are tri.


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There is no such thing as "tri's." Whoever came up with that is a back yard breeder and peddler.
Colors of Pit Dogs didn't matter; the only color that mattered was winning.
Point being, anyone who focuses on a color doesn't know this breed at all.
"Chocolate" was never a word used for the American (pit) Bull Terrier.
Interesting thread, also interesting that the color Chocolate was not used to describe pit dogs.....

As per the ADBA standard which is the one we have to go by the term Chocolate is used to describe APBT's but Tri color is not.
I have a chocolate brindle myself and she was named that color from her breeder who is not a BYB. It probably wasn't used pre 1976 but things were simpler back then. It was a brown dog no matter what shade of brown it was! lol
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i have a tri and no they're not rare but to be honest i wasn't really a fan of them my wife picked him out.if u get something off of a tri breed it to something that has that trait heavy or another tri to make the trait heavy but where i live a tri is like a seperate breed of its own
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The tri was not associated with the breeds until the Doberman and rottwieler was introduced during the bully movement of recent years.
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