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Old 11-25-2012, 02:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Whats the difference??????

Like really I wanna know what is the big difference between the APBT and AMSTAFF?Ok isn't it correct that like UKC AKC reconized APBT but because of the fighting and bad rep they stopped but after a couple yrs or so they decided to reconize them again but changed the name right or wrong?I've been to a bully breed show(BULYYPALOOZA)didn't realy see amstaffs just so big block short and xl pits or bullypits if thats correct saying.Also been to serval ADBA show/weight pull events I've seen dogs 35-60lbs some blue red black white brown fawn ect...even look like AMSTAFFS.So I really wanna know is it because some old heads from the 80 and 90s thats breed and raised these dogs say because if blue its not APBT OR BECAUSE ITS REG WITH AKC OR 20LBS BIGGER ITS NOT APBT?Seriously please I really wanna know.I'm not looking to be knocked or knock anyone for their owning of whatever dog they prefer or to bash someone becuase of belief or opinion I JUST REALLY WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I AM SO CONFUSED.like can you show pics with your proof(not just opinion bc you hate a certain bllodline or type of pit)and lets be dead on with logics I really want to know please and thank you for your input.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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OK. so like i said in the other thread i think ur confusing some of the breeds here. this statement here "I've been to a bully breed show(BULYYPALOOZA)didn't realy see amstaffs just so big block short and xl pits or bullypits" u went to a Bully show, as in American Bully prolly set up by the ABKC (american bully kennel club). there are 5 classes of AmBullies which u can read about on the ABKC website.

heres a thread to help explain the different breeds.
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this one shows the difference between UKC AKC and ADBA dogs.
Visual Comparison of the top-winning UKC, AKC & ADBA dogs
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Guess because I have read even on here how ppl have mad is seen like amstaffs and ambullies or bully breeds are basically the same thats why I said I haven't seen a AMSTAFF at any Buyll show.I did go to the top link you posted and do see all body as well as head differnce between APBT,AMSTAFFS,STAFF BULLY AND,AMERICAN BULLY.And also while waiting on replies I went and dung deep looking into the deffernce between amstaffs and apbt thatnk you for replying it was helpful.
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:31 AM   #4 (permalink)
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no problem and no u wont see an AmStaff or a SBT at a bully show cuz they are not registered with the ABKC only AKC. if u wanted to see them in a show u would have to find an AKC show or sometimes u can find an "bully breed dog show" in which case they will have american bulldogs, dogos, presa canarios, APBT, AST, SBT, AmBully, bull terrier and more.
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Oh yea I know that it just had me confused thwy way some ppl seeming like amstaffs and bullies were the same dog also I want to get into weight pulling in ADBA if I have an amstaff dog well even though it is reg with UKC and reg as ABPT its a amstaff bc of bloodline right.
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Oh yea I know that it just had me confused thwy way some ppl seeming like amstaffs and bullies were the same dog also I want to get into weight pulling in ADBA if I have an amstaff dog well even though it is reg with UKC and reg as ABPT its a amstaff bc of bloodline right.
we have a lot of ADBA people here on the forum but theres a big ADBA show in SoCal this weekend, so they might not see this for a few days. but i believe that to WP in the ADBA u need to have the dog registered withe ADBA. since ur pup has UKC papers u would be able to WP at UKC events...
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▲▲▲ yeah ADBA Registration would be Needed to Pull at an ADBA event.
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Registries are weird and this is why so many People are Confused. See for He longest time AKC dogs could be registered with both the UKC and ADBA. This is how the bully movement came to, this allowed Am Staffs to bred to ukc APBt and be registered. The continued crossing and breeding for head End chest size gave birth to the AM Bully.
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The AKC never has register dogs as APBTs. Dogs registered with AKC are AmStaffs. The foundation of the AmStaff was the APBT, but selective breeding over many many years have turned them into their own breed which is why you'll notice a significant difference between an ADBA dog and An AKC dog. The UKC is kind of a mess. They do not recognize the AmStaff or the AmBully as separate breeds, which they have been for many years, so all dogs registered under UKC are registered as APBTs even though they may be a different breed. This is where a lot of confusion comes from. People get these big blue dogs and think they're APBTs cause the UKC papers state APBT as the breed, and then later find out through the pedigree that the dog is actually an American Bully and not an APBT at all. Then you've got the people who refuse to believe their Bullies are not APBTs, then breed and sell them as APBTs causing more and more confusion.
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@Rudy4747 and KG420 thank you both for that and goes dang near hand and hand with what was said to me by Odin's_BlueDragon.You all were very imformative and this iformation clears up a lot of confusion with the breeds AMSTAFF AND APBT.Had I known that I would've gotten my Tyson and just wanted on a different litter from a guy with ADBA papers and eli bloodline.I know I've read up on they history between UKC and AKC dang near all night long last night til I almost fel alseep on the computer.Its crazy to me how even though AMSTAFFS originate from APBT and because of the bad rep they got AKC refused to reconize them and would reconize them if the name was changed.Then because of byb and people who wanted to form these gigantuous dogs that now look like MASTIFFS BULLDOGS AND APBT'S mixed.So would or could one say that UKC has been washed down and their reputation has been suspect now for years because they now accept these bully breads as APBT instead of as BULLIES wy not hve different breed sections on them then APBT GO IN THEIR SECTION BULLIES IN THEIR AND STILL BE REG WITH UKC?Now I am upset because I have this well built gorgous dog and becuase of its bloodline(Greyline GOTTI AND GAFF)he is AMSTAFF INSTEAD OF APBT WHICH IS WHAT I WANTED(APBT).I see all these names in his ped the last 10-15generation its all gotti greyline gaff then I broke it down went even father you got GRAY LINE'S RAIDER II and goes into 1970on down to 1950s a little of SARONA and all dogs up until 10genereation ago were UKC AND AKC DBL REG.Its just crazy to me because of names and rep and people doing experamental breeding these dogs have changed.I just thought I get myself a good athletic built dog no bully work and train with him get him into weight pulling and see what he/she got.Even if it was a differnt reg I could just dbl reg and get into ADBA and pull in this club.I love the comatition and the weight pulling have went a few time s up where I live(Cartersville Ga)they have a saction up here about twice a yr.Had I known more about Juan Gotty and Greyline I would've got my pup ijs but again thank you all for you feedback it was more than helpful.
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Thanks I got my mind made up Imma try to get into events with UKC and reg him ABKC since hell thats whats in him anyways wish I could copy his ped down and post it but I know the next dog I get will be adba and APBT NO ANDS IF BUTS ABOUT IT.Wish I wouldve waited on one of the guys with the club I'm in.Oh and by the way KG420 you fine as hell

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The AKC never has register dogs as APBTs. Dogs registered with AKC are AmStaffs.
True but Am staff have been registered as APBT with both the UKC and ADAB. To this day the ADBA still accepts dogs from both registries. A practice I do not like at all. I am sure you know KG just thought I would clarify my self
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True but Am staff have been registered as APBT with both the UKC and ADAB. To this day the ADBA still accepts dogs from both registries. A practice I do not like at all. I am sure you know KG just thought I would clarify my self
So I can reg him with ADBA but just make sure he is listed as AMSTAFF or ADBA WILL still reg him as APBT NO MATTER WHAT?
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