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Old 12-27-2012, 03:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:08 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Wow seriously? I told you how ignorant most of society and the media is in regards to tossing out the word pit bull to mean multiple breeds of dogs with multiple classifications. You can also find, with google, other reputable sites that know APBT is the one and only true pit bull. Why would you want to have multiple breeds classified as the same thing? All it dows is fuel BSL and confuse the hell ouf of people. Owners of 100lb pit bulls are lying to themselves that they have a mutt, hung papers, or bloodlines including something besides an APBT.

AmStaffs do not look like APBT and AmBully doesn't (well shouldn't) look like another breed. (Although its hard with 5 classes of dogs i admit but still its own breed) Also there are very very few blue APBT. Therefore blue pit bulls in general. Most are AmStaff or AmBully, pitterstaff, or something else. Blue is just a dilute of black and tons of breeds have blue dogs (greyhounds, dobermens, Weimaraner) but the people who bred the APBT culled blue. Therefore there are very very very , some will say if any at all, blue pit bulls. Seriously dude stick around and learn some shit. It will help you in the long run...
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:55 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Wow seriously? I told you how ignorant most of society and the media is in regards to tossing out the word pit bull to mean multiple breeds of dogs with multiple classifications. You can also find, with google, other reputable sites that know APBT is the one and only true pit bull. Why would you want to have multiple breeds classified as the same thing? All it dows is fuel BSL and confuse the hell ouf of people. Owners of 100lb pit bulls are lying to themselves that they have a mutt, hung papers, or bloodlines including something besides an APBT.

AmStaffs do not look like APBT and AmBully doesn't (well shouldn't) look like another breed. (Although its hard with 5 classes of dogs i admit but still its own breed) Also there are very very few blue APBT. Therefore blue pit bulls in general. Most are AmStaff or AmBully, pitterstaff, or something else. Blue is just a dilute of black and tons of breeds have blue dogs (greyhounds, dobermens, Weimaraner) but the people who bred the APBT culled blue. Therefore there are very very very , some will say if any at all, blue pit bulls. Seriously dude stick around and learn some shit. It will help you in the long run...
Wow! Rep comin ur way Amy. Great post my friend.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Okay then I'll just get a AmStaff , you guys are probably the nicest I ever seen online when it comes to Pit bulls. I've been banned from a couple of Pit bull forums for defending myself against idiotic pit bull forum users who called me a ignorant, douchebag ,etc. But I don't care because I completely told her off . Thanks for helping me tho. And Odin's_BlueDragon, I want a dog similar to yours , like you said, he's " bigger, blue, male that's not short with an oversized head " and in my opinion he's adorable.

and @Kg420 , Yes, I seen a AKC Blue Brindle American Staffie, they are beautiful with a much broader and rounder head then a APBT.




BUT I still have one more thing to argue about with you guys...


How the Heck is a Pit bull that is blue , NOT a Pitbull?

Dog fighters bred Blue Paul Terriers with various amounts of Bulldogs to create Blue Pitbulls , and many Mastiffs were bred with pit bulls and today their is various colors of blues in the mastiff ????

Neopolition Mastiffs were blue and very thin compared to modern NeoMastiffs and are Pit bulls were bred with dogs who fell under the Molosser category which were mostly blue mastiffs?

Please tell me if I'm right or wrong.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:02 PM   #20 (permalink)
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There are blue APBTs but the dogmen of old generally culled them. The Blue Paul is still a mystery and not necessarily a foundation dog for the APBT.
Blue is a dilute of black and can be found in many breeds, even the Lab.
If you aren't looking for an ADBA style dog, then you aren't looking for an APBT. The dogs whos pics you posted are all AmBully. You should google standard and/or classic American Bully. You will see pics of what you are looking for all over. Then from there you can look for a breeder in your area.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What you are saying is that other breeds were mixed in to create these dogs. You are saying it yourself. By mixing other breeds it is no longer a true American pit bull terrier. It is no longer a pit bull no matter what the breeder tells you. Accepting the pit bull to encompass multiple breeds is what it seems like you are having a problem grasping. Pitbull pit bull it doesn't matter. There is only one breed that can be called a pit bull, the APBT. ANYTHING else makes it a different breed.

A mutt means a dog with unknown lineage OR more than one breed in the dogs lines. So a pit bull x mastiff is a mutt NOT a big pit bull. Does that make sense?

The classic American bully was created when mixing APBT and amstaffs. Then they started mixing in other breeds. Some still call AmBully mutts because lots of dogs were used (french bull dogs, English bull dogs, mastiffs) to create the pocket bully's or XL bully's.) I feel they are their own breed but a lot of BYB have done damage to the original way these dogs were bred.


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But every dog is a mutt, that's how different dog breeds were created...
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But every dog is a mutt, that's how different dog breeds were created...
A lot went into creating the apbt. It's already been perfected and improved. You don't want to fall for the bs spoon fed to you by the people who breed dogs and call them pit bulls when obviously they are not. It's your responsibility to at least know the difference between "bully breeds" if that's what you really want to own and manage
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm glad u are hearing us though! And Odin thanks u for the compliment! But like Redog said don't fall for that "every dog is a mutt" bullcrap. Ames said it right, mutt does not mean mixed breed, it means a dog of unknown origin. For example, my Odin is a mutt cuz I have no idea what his family history is. Now an ADBA registered APBT is not a mutt because there is a pedigree detailing the history of where the dog came from and what blood is there. Ill have to look it up but there is a general rule for how long u have to breed certain dogs before it can be considered a breed.

Here's another good example... if u breed 2 pedigreed APBTs u will get a litter of APBTs that are registerable. Now if u breed a pedigreed Bulldog and a pedigreed terrier u do NOT have APBTs. Although the history of the APBT contains both of these breeds u can not simply mix them to make a different breed. Do u follow?
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While were somewhat on this subject, I as well live in FL. I'm looking to breed my APBT, where/how exactly can I find someone with a male stud that's looking to breed?
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While were somewhat on this subject, I as well live in FL. I'm looking to breed my APBT, where/how exactly can I find someone with a male stud that's looking to breed?
What exactly has your dog done to prove that she should be bred?

My advice is follow this flow chart.
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She is a working/hunting dog, for our farm. She has just in the past two months fought off several or more coyotes from getting our livestock. I'm afraid shes gonna get into more then she can handle, need another working dog.
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wow.... i am just going to sit back and watch this thread.... *sigh*
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So, if you need another working dog, why wouldn't you go out and get another working dog? Why would you create up to 10 puppies to keep one and in the long run have no idea what happens to the other nine? (btw, at least 6 of those will end up at the shelter and possibley PTS)
Do you know the risks to your dog if you breed her? Do you even know how to welp puppies, or how to take care of them? Can you afford the vet bills that go along with a litter of pups and a pregnant dog?
I think you should probably do just a hair more research before submitting your dog to the riggers of pregnancy. It's not just locking up two dogs and popping out 9 money bags and another pet "working" dog. js
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Thanks for the correction, your right on every level. I do need to look into it more.
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