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Old 12-31-2012, 02:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hey all, sorry I havent engaged in any conversations in a long time, I lost my brindle pit Echo in Sept..I took it especially hard cause he was only 2 and had epilepsy, which his last seizure basically gave him a extremely high 105.4 fever and he literately fried his brain, it was not pretty..I miss him terribly tho...well enough sad news...my husband surprised me with a female Red Nose, I have had her since 2 days after Echo passed, my husband hoped she would help me thru Echos passing, I will say she has helped, she is beautiful, perfect in every way, color, stance, body, etc...well we know nothing about her due to a homeless man gave her up to my husband...is there a way to check bloodline??? I know the right thing to do is spay her to reduce the over flow of possible unwanted pups in the shelter but I would like to possibly breed her just once, but was told I needed to know her line first...so if there is a way..does someone know how I would go about it?

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Old 12-31-2012, 03:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First I just want to point out that 'Red Nose' means nothing except what color her nose literally is. Is not a breed, bloodline, type, or style of dog. And since she does not have a pedigree then there is no way to tell if she is infact purebred, let alone what bloodline she is. I would recommend just getting her fixed, puppies cost a LOT of money anyways!
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sorry for your loss...so heartbreaking
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Old 12-31-2012, 10:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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sorry for your loss 1st of all.

For this dog it is as much a mix as any shelter dog, no history to look back on as far as structures of parents, health , temperment ect so to breed something that you really have nothing to look back to or double check what you are breeding is pretty careless. You are playing the lotto with breeding this dog and as we all know majority never strike it rich . I would love her as the pet she is and spay her, no need to breed more unpapered mutts, the shelter is full of dogs like that.
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sorry for your loss! If your dog is a mutt there really isn't a need to breed more mutts in the world when there are so many already that are out there.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The only way to figure out the bloodline is to determine if this dog came from a breeder, then you'd have to track down that breeder and hope they still have records on that particular pup. Its honestly too much work just to breed a dog that you don't know much about to begin with.
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Old 01-15-2013, 03:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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I also have pup (boy - turned 16 weeks today, 24lbs) that I bought from what would be classified as a BYB (no papers, parents are not registered). I have seen both the sire and dam, they seem to be good dogs. There are children in the yard who literally grew up with these pets without any sign of temparamental issues. The stud's parents can still be traced, the dam's could but with a lot of difficulty.
Does this mean that my pup can never be registered at all?
I am based in South Africa, most of the pits here are bloodlines from Carver kennels, Rocky, etc.
With the little info I have on my boy, can I trace its bloodline's origin?

Another interesting question, why the high price on the "registered puppies"? Are they reserved for the affording few, some of whom may not even have much interest in dogs?

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Old 01-16-2013, 01:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I also have pup (boy - turned 16 weeks today, 24lbs) that I bought from what would be classified as a BYB (no papers, parents are not registered). I have seen both the sire and dam, they seem to be good dogs. There are children in the yard who literally grew up with these pets without any sign of temparamental issues. The stud's parents can still be traced, the dam's could but with a lot of difficulty.
Does this mean that my pup can never be registered at all?
I am based in South Africa, most of the pits here are bloodlines from Carver kennels, Rocky, etc.
With the little info I have on my boy, can I trace its bloodline's origin?

Another interesting question, why the high price on the "registered puppies"? Are they reserved for the affording few, some of whom may not even have much interest in dogs?

(How do I post a pic here?)
Absolutely no way to register your pup if the parents aren't registered. You can't determine if a dog is pure bred and what line it's from without a pedigree to read. So many people say "I saw the parents they look pure" this is ridiculous. There is absolutely no way to tell breed just by looking. There are so many different types of Bull breeds and when mixed often times they still look the same.

To the OP, that mentality is a huge reason thousands and thousands of pit type dogs die every day. There is absolutely NO demand for mutts. Hundreds of people think that way, breed their dogs, and then you literally have thousands of dogs. Puppies are cute but people rarely keep them for life. Will you be able to afford to keep every puppy in that litter should they not sell, and will you take back any and all of your pups at any age to avoid them dieing in a shelter? Breeding dogs isn't a game and shouldn't be something people do for fun, or money. With the pushing of BSL, and the over population and death rate this is nothing to just play around with. They should only breed to better the breed, not to make cute pups. There's thousands of cute pups out there waiting for homes no need to add to that. Breeding should be left up to the responsible breeders who have a good understanding of genetics, bloodline, temperament and quality stock not people breeding random dogs they know nothing about.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:21 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
 

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I dont want to breed my boy but I would like to know his exact DNA and poss. bloode line. Any helpful 411 or pointers would be appreciated, like which DNA test etc. is best. Thanks from SpiderMan in VEGAS.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:40 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I dont want to breed my boy but I would like to know his exact DNA and poss. bloode line. Any helpful 411 or pointers would be appreciated, like which DNA test etc. is best. Thanks from SpiderMan in VEGAS.
No DNA test can't determine breed or bloodline. The only thing DNA testing can do is determine parentage. If they parents DNA isn't on file then you can't figure out anything. With no papers there's no guarantee a dog is even pure bred, regardless of what it may look like.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
 

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I have a macoy cowboy is that a good blood lines he is a 2month' old
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i dont know if i would be so quick to write off getting either one of these dogs registered.

its not nessicarily true that you cant register them, the C.K.C. will register them, with a picture and your signature.

plus you can single register them also, but then you need to know the first 3 generations, so dont give up hope yet.

if you can get them CKC registered, and he turns out to be the BEST dog you;ve ever had, and want a pup or two from him, after twice doing that to get a 3 generation pedigree then you can register them with a BONA FIDE registry.

good luck, yis
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The CKC will register a damn cat. That's is the crappiest registry there is and I'd never suggest anyone single register an unknown dog there just to say I have papers now I can breed. That's total Bull the fact of the matter is this dog was given to them by a hobo off the streets, and I guarantee he couldn't afford a well bred dog to begin with. So regardless unless you have the dogs pedigree to look at you CAN NOT tell if the dog is pure bred or mixed or if there is any genetic flaws that could be passed down to any future puppies. The best thing to do is spay her and just love her as a wonderful pet which I'm sure she is. The CKC will only waste your money as they are not a legit registry.
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The CKC will register a damn cat. That's is the crappiest registry there is and I'd never suggest anyone single register an unknown dog there just to say I have papers now I can breed. That's total Bull the fact of the matter is this dog was given to them by a hobo off the streets, and I guarantee he couldn't afford a well bred dog to begin with. So regardless unless you have the dogs pedigree to look at you CAN NOT tell if the dog is pure bred or mixed or if there is any genetic flaws that could be passed down to any future puppies. The best thing to do is spay her and just love her as a wonderful pet which I'm sure she is. The CKC will only waste your money as they are not a legit registry.
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