Your hitting on good facts and are just about SPOT on: just remember... pride aside.. dogs were rung.. No camelot dog ever out worked any of these other strains to be used on hogs.. I heard that stuff but the dogs just didn't cut it. 90lbs+ APBT
with suposed deep game history and winded in no time, they tried em in Hawaii too. BIG STRONG .. not much wind or legs under em. I've seen the best of OFRN hog dogs JRB hog dogs, Hammonds Hog dogs, Halls, Eli, Mason.. and Camelot wasn't even close. I was always confused by what was said vs the dog in front me. I just wouldnt touch it, I had whopper sources of true monsters. Those dogs are all but dead and gone now. Mealer might still produce one or two now and again but nope those high end large dogs dont last long with out vigilance. Now its all been smashed together.. So I think a few of you have the right idea how to clean it up, just be sure to cull from breeding the dogs that should not be bred. I always bring up the DDB because it vital people understand they are working with genetics from very old bulldogs indeed.
Avant .. had some good stuff.. like so many could be a rung dog in there or two or three as well..
Chevy Red is the alltime top pull dog I believe. I don't know that I've ever seen his record broke.
Look at the dogs look at the pedigrees.. like so many rung the entire package of the dog changes from breeding that should not have made those dramatic changes.
Theres no reason to point fingers and talk smack, the reasoning is to better under stand the the genetic stock of the dog; why it is the way it is. My whopper dogs and the whopper dogs we had in Okla were chain breaking, kennel ripping, door eating, uncontrolable hulks with even distribution.. we bred mutants that were 115lbs easy and problem dogs... they get loose and kill everything. Hand me downs from some of Eddies original X's. Stacked on each other ..
Now I've been on this place for a while and we've had every convo and I've been here long enough to learn and prove myself wrong time to time with facts from my own relaying information. Its very important to know that they are all bulldogs on the DNA scale they all come from the fighting dog of gaul. So essentially those dogs are :
Supporting throwback original DDB genetics .. ^^ 1976 DDB import throwback extinct figting strain. probably similar to that which sired Parkers Bouncer and foundation of Whopper.
I seen Dagger in OKC still have the pic, he was 130lbs of ripped bandog sized bulldog which is a bandog. Thats a mastiff. The first mastiff were taken from pit dogs bred big kept on chains.. they bred them together then back to the fighting bulldog to get he bullmastiff.. in late 1800s they took the last of the original DDB which was going extinct and pulled in bullmastiff..
Taken early 1900s Dogue De Boredeaux without the Bullmastiff influx.
.......... So you can clearly see they are supporting old genes of a gladiator bandog......
What to do with that
well Eddie kept it tight with bozo blood and other game family stuff too!
He rung the dogs so people wouldnt know the formula much like Carver. With whopper... Your either breeding bulldogs, or your not. Those big 110lbs dogs are bandogs, its their size and function. Bandogs are bulldogs of massive size.
before anyone thinks I've not done my research know that in 1900 the BOXER (fighter) the german PIT BULLDOG was the same dog as the English/American PIT BULLDOG
Only they called them kempfer often meaning dangerous dog. Cause they bit EVERYBODY and EVERYANIMAL
So if you wanna finesse that whopper out and surface more high end traits be ready for a hulk that will require 24hr hands on surveillance by you.