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Old 09-05-2008, 10:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Inbreeding - The Color Blue

So I read somewhere online today that the color blue in apbt's came from inbreeding? And that old dogger's considered this a major flaw thus culling those dogs because it was not desirable to them. So the blue in apbt's became less common. Any thoughts on this? Would you say it could be true?
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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HAHA I don't know it could be true. Now though the blue color is probably one of the most common 'rare' colors ever.
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Old 09-05-2008, 10:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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LOL ... No bbb you got it all wrong dear LILAC is the new rare color ... its a true silver ROTFLMAO
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I heard that from some where but MSK said some thing once about the line of dogs she has and that the lady wanted to prove that blue dogs weren't any diff from others and that's what she did. IDK though you might ask her exactly.
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I heard that from some where but MSK said some thing once about the line of dogs she has and that the lady wanted to prove that blue dogs weren't any diff from others and that's what she did. IDK though you might ask her exactly.
PROVING the dog really has nothing to do with the color. I have two blues that are already proving themselves. This is more about where the color CAME from origionally.
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True it's not rare anymore and yes they were probably linebred to consistently produce the color blue...a diluted black. Some old dogmen saw a few blues come and go but they considered them to be a fault and most were culled. Some real proven dogs have been blue or gray in color.
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Sorry!! Was confused!!
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I find it hard to believe that a blue dog that was tested and proven would be culled just for its coat color,i know its been said alot but were is it writen that this actually happened,or is it just speculation?
I figure that if a blue dog was found to be a gamedog,it would be kept around to make its owner some money,since this is the main reason dog fighting existed,MONEY.
Many dog men hated the rednose dogs,but they were kept around because they consistantly produced..
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Old 09-18-2008, 12:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
 

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Well how is it possible that a dogs color could prevent them from being game? A color is just a color is it not? I don't understand the logic behind old dogger's culling blue dogs because of color and I seriously doubt that a blue coat could make a dog less game than a red or a black coat I am having a hard time understanding why blue dogs were considered so inferior to any other color dog I have not heard anything worth wild that would make logical sense other than dogger's felt that blue dogs were inferior based on their color. I would love to see something factual about this because it sounds so stupid
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yeah...it sounds stupid. I have heard that they were culled because they carried a mutated gene...but is this just speculation? perhaps. We may never know. Being as the dogmen didn't breed like to like blue dogs to narrow down the gene pool and produce many consistent blue dogs like breeders today... you would probably only see a few blue dogs back then.. and i'm sure if they got their hands on a proven blue dog, they would have cared less about the coat color as long as the dog had what it took to be a champ.
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Off topic here, but is Geronimo's tail docked? Hard to tell from that pic.
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I don't understand the genetics of blue, but if it's a recessive trait, there probably was some inbreeding going on to help bring it out. I've always read that the less genetic diversity in a line -- meaning, the tighter you inbreed -- the more recessive traits come out.
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No it's not docked it's mid-wag. Lol! I have always been told the culling of blue dogs was because the blue is a genetic mutation of black and white. Dunno really but my mentor has been around some old and new dog men and this is the way he understands it.
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No it's not docked it's mid-wag. Lol!
Thats cool! I was just wondering! Great looking dog btw!
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Blue dogs were said to be tested and fought,again there is no photos to back this up,but the story of the old lightener dogs and "Colorado imp" are easily accessible on the net,and these blue dogs were proclaimed to be game but also in the case of the colarado imp dog,they were beaten by dogs of other colors and rumored to be used in the initial foundation stock for the am staff by corvino since he did have a hand in the am staffs creation,or so its written,,,,,
Now it is very possible for certain colors to carry certain traits based on the goals of the breeders through proper or improper selection. and i do believe that the majority of blue colored dogs are not game simply because they are bred for looks first and foremost as well as many being basically mutts,and even when bred in purity they still just aren't bred to be game,although it is easy to suspect that some blue dogs will be through backs just as some am staffs are,and possably these dogs could carry the game trait,but it would have to be tested for and if its not we'd never know.
I'm not buying this stuff about blue dogs being culled no matter what drive or temperament they had,it doesn't make sense and these dogs were matched and it has been documented...
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