american_pit13

Why is Razors Edge automatically mean the dog is an american bully? Is this and american bully? I don't think so.

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vdubbinya

very nice dog...

ARK_Kennel

Because they spend to much time whoring the internet...

lovethypitbull

Not trying to be smart but I just thought that regaurdless of shape and stature, all the dogs who have bloodlines such as RE, Gotti, Greyline etc. Were bullies.
I am I wrong?
Is the American Bully more dependent on the look than the bloodline?

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SadieBlues

Well I think you have well bred bullies on the smaller side and then you have overdone bullies I think it's all about the breeding program. The founder of razors edge openly admits that he outcrossed the line and that they are not pure bred pitbulls this is coming from the founder of the line so if he states that as being the facts I would assume he would know better than anyone else I don't see how razor's edge dogs could be pure bred apbt's. Regardless it's a preference but IMO razor's edge is an american bully line based on what I have read as far as public info on the history of the line. JMO But you could also have a dog with a small percentage of razors edge in them mixed with other game lines or other amstaff lines. So I don't know how most people would look at that as far as labeling the dog as bully or apbt. I have heard some people say if a dog has any bully lines in the pedigree the dog is a bully so I don't know I guess it's all on the persons point of veiw and what they are basing it off of

MADBood

It may not be an overdone AmBully but if this dog has RE in the peds, then YES, it is an American Bully. I notice the shortened muzzle on this dog and that thick tail..not an APBT characterstic. Your dog doesn't have to be 100lbs and sitting 6" off the ground to be an American Bully...I thought we have already established this.

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fredericksburg
thats coming out of dave wilson mouth
Come see our gentle 'bullies,' unfairly savaged by a currish editorial

Date published: 10/6/2006

AS PRESIDENT of Razors Edge and one of the founders of the American Bully, I am appalled by your Oct. 3 editorial "Bully for the bulls?" Your statements are not only offensive but inaccurate.

The "Back 2 the Bullies" convention to be held tomorrow at the Fredericksburg Expo Center is not for the "celebration of the pit bull" as you allege; it is for public awareness of the American Bully. This is a new breed created more than 15 years ago, and it is a separate breed from the "pit bull."

We blended different breeds together to obtain certain desired traits. The American pit bull terrier was one of the breeds whose lineage is in the background of this breed, but it is by no means the only breed behind it.

Even the part of the lineage that is American pit bull terrier stems from United Kennel Club-registered conformation show dogs! There is also an American Kennel Club-registered show breed in the lineage of this breed called the American Staffordshire terrier. Some breeders even included some bulldog lineage into their breeding. This breed has been established for over 10 years now.

The American Bully Kennel Club was created for the registry and promotion of this breed. These dogs have extremely mellow demeanors and were bred for the purpose of companionship. If you had researched the breed or the event, you might have learned more about what you were falsely commenting on.

We have been hosting these shows for more than four years now and have a great track record with major cities all over the United States. These events have all been a success, and people continue to request them in their areas. We have people flying in from all over the United States, and even confirmed guests from Japan, Italy, and the Philippines.

These events have been amazing for bringing all types of people together from all over the world--all races and all genders. The amount of public support has been overwhelming. For this area, the event is also helping the local economy. Three major hotels in this area are sold out, not to mention all the restaurants and pet stores that stand to gain business. Major pet stores, pet-feed companies, rescues, animal shelters, attorneys, and other organizations and individuals are backing and sponsoring this event.

To talk about this event in the context of young girls murdered by a serial killer is sick. How do you think the families of those children feel seeing that incident brought back up and being used in association with a dog show?

Then to talk about a sanctioned dog show in connection with a mauling by a pack of dogs running at large? The dogs that mauled Dorothy Sullivan weren't even pure pit bulls. But whatever breed they were, the tragedy has no correlation with this show. The poor woman who was mauled deserves more respect than to be brought into a commentary about a dog show. This entire editorial was plain sick.

At our event, the local animal control office maintains a booth with a donations box set up for its shelter. Also with booths are dog-rescue organizations that inform the public about all the dogs being put to sleep in shelters. Also at show we have a task force that seeks to bring to justice illegal dog fighters. We have a lady who runs programs in the low-income areas of major cities, and who helps underprivileged children through working with dogs.

We have five nonprofit organizations manning booths. As people from all over the world come to our event, we even have the local police department working there to ensure the safety of all patrons and participants.

At our event, nothing illegal is being promoted, permitted, or advertised. We have done no wrong at all. Our event simply seeks to certain promote a breed in a positive way.

Your editorial misinformed the public about the nature of "Back 2 the Bullies" and the breed it highlights.

DAVE WILSON of Spotsylvania County is president of Razor's Edge, the main company sponsoring tomorrow's Back 2 the Bullies convention.

MADBood

I'm not trying to be rude but I think everyone on this forum and every other forum has seen this article from mr. wilson. It is obvious that are other breeds mixed into them. RE is just one of many bully bloodlines out there. Alot of bloodlines have been tainted besides RE...if not most UKC dogs. ADBA isn't a saint either but they do make a greater effort in keeping their dogs closer to the traditional standards.

Most people just want a pet these days anyways, so it really doesn't matter as long as you love them call them what you like as long as you leave the APBT name out of it.

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ARK_Kennel

Until the UKC sends me new registration papers that say American Bully, my RE dogs are APBT....

american_pit13

They should rename this site %100 game dog bred.com

Nothing other than your original game lines will give you %100 APBT.

Every major line of show breeders have dogs that have features that are not APBT characteristics

As a matter of fact I have seen game dogs with the same not APBT characteristic as you stated...hmmmm....


ALL DOGS HAVE FAULTS. Faults don't make a dog a bully.


Also wanted to add that I am not saying my dog is %100 the best of the best APBT..


however she is an American Pitbull Terrier. And no not all pits look the same. But just because it has a certain bloodline doesn't make it an American Bully.



This site gets way to picky and into this %100 pure stuff.

APBTs are not the game dogs they used to be.

They are now used for show/weightpull and a variety of other sports. So as the sports changed so did the breeding and in turn the dog. Some breeders tried to keep it pure and tight others didn't but over all the breed and its look has changed.

My dog is an American Pitbull Terrier maybe not game bred or with the best of lines but a pit non the less.

The UKC has new standards to weed out the bullys and my dog still meets those standards and those of the ADBA. So while the ADBA and the UKC say this dog is APBT then thats good for me. She competes as an APBT and Wins as an APBT so I think that makes her and APBT

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cane76

apbts "are" the game dogs of the past,there's still as many game dogs now as then[back in the day] there's just much more dogs overall like bullies and stuff that overshadow the original"game-dog"jmo,.That being said i guarantee that some original game dogs were first generation battle crosses and i believe there was some sort of experimentation through out the breeds history although that much i can not prove.
R.E set out to start a new thing and be different so of course those dogs are not original apbts no matter who registers them or what its said on a pedigree,and a pedigree really doesn't mean much figuring that so many were falsified even in the early era of the breed,jmo....

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cane76

One more thing as a side thought,
i believe the lable apbt has been bestowed upon a ceartin # of dogs not because of purity but because of fighting ability,that being said,if a R.E dog was proven to be game
despite his purity i believe that dog would be a apbt.

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MADBood

Call them what you want but that doesn't make it so. I don't know why you would want to misrepresent but that's you. I watched this whole forum jump on me when I first came here talking about my bullies being APBTs. I honestly thought they were too being as they were registered as APBTs. I realize now that the UKC is a joke and all about the $$. I would never take my Bullies to a UKC event but then again I wouldn't be going to any UKC event to begin with. You have a right to call them what you want but don't expect to change my mind. I know what a true bulldog is capable and most people don't have a clue what a APBT is these days.





If we were to rename this %100 game dog bred...nobody would have anything to talk about, would they?

Original game lines are the real APBT....not showdogs. The APBT was born in the pit (hence the name) not the show. Maybe we should call the site "Goshowdogs.com"...that would be more accurate. Or better yet, the UKC can rename them American Show Dog Terriers...lol.

FYI a pitbull and an APBT are not the same thing. Pitbull is just as generic as "bulldog". I understand that this is a place for bully breeds...not just APBTs. I just wish people would quit calling thier dogs something they are not, that's all. But to each his/her own, you aren't telling me nothing new or something that hasn't been debated a million times....have fun misrepresenting.

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ARK_Kennel

Show me a registry that is not about the money...

MADBood

If "If" was a fifth we'd all be drunk...but yeah that's actually true. But with all the actual proven gamelines out there why roll a RE?...unless of course it had RE way back in the peds being outcrossed several times with gamelines and the dog was just straight up bad assed. jmo of course.

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