Question on Watchdog, Gaff, Colby??? - Go Pitbull .com

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 07:21 PM

So I was just having some fun and looking more into Nevaeh's ped. Well I seen that she has watchdog, gaff in some areas but then a little further back I see that she has Colby? Is Watchdog and Gaff bully. I don't really look into bloodlines at all but I know I have heard these mentioned. Also under the Colby dogs she has it says the breeder is J.P. Colby? Is he the one that made the colby bloodline? Here are some of the Colby dogs she has--
-CH Colby's Paddy
-Colby's Jenny
-Colby's Tige (Tige was considered the 35# champion of America and a great sire of game dogs.Tige became even more famous after defeating Dan Roses Captain in 3 hours 27 minutes.)
-Colby's Mag (Full sister to Colby's Pincher. Mag won serveral fights, some against males.)
-CH Colby's Pansy
-Colby's Rose
-Colby's Red Nail
-Colby's Pincher (One of the best match dogs that ever lived!)
-Colby's Neli I
-Colby's Neitz
-Colby's Bunch
-Colby's Goldy
-Colby's Bill Spring

All these Colby dogs are on Nevaeh's Dam's Sire's Side but then on her Dam's Mother's side that is when you get the Gaff, but then on Nevaeh's Sire's ped is where watchdog comes in! So even though she has tons of Colby lines, she is still considered a bully because of the crossing till now? Well no matter even if she is a bully, she is the most sweetest dog ever, and I truly love her soo soo much because she is my daughter's guardian angel and I couldn't have asked for anything better.

Nevaeh watching over Kaydence in her soon to be dog house!

Kaydence resting on Nevaeh

Nevaeh waking Kaydence up with some Love

Nevaeh at 6 1/2 months old.

Nevaeh posing as usual.

Okay she is starting to get bored.

cane76 $Infractions Award$ · 11-08-2008, 08:46 PM

as far as i know all dogs of the apbt breed and amstaff can trace there linage back to colby stuff as he was if not the first one of the first to import the breed to america and if it is true that the bully is a creation of am staff apbt show dog crosses also steming from fighting dogs that they also can trace there linage to colby dogs.
I consider the watchdog and gaff lines to be bully,gaff is a staff line in my opinion and watchdog is a bully line that's fondation stock was made up of larger working pitbull's
by a guy who i believe abandoned the strain for the american bulldog breed.
and since the creator has no hand in the type anymore people do with it what they will usualy do when something like that happens,take it in another direction,breed for exagerated aesthetic,and coat color.
Todays watchdog strain is not what it once was and to air on the side of caution,id say many represenitives of the modern type are examples of impurity and poor breeding practices and some are no dout through backs to the older foundation dogs.
mostly crossed into a few other working lines of apbt[eli] i believe.

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 09:11 PM

Yah, thanks Cane, so I went and looked at what watchdog she did have and it is GR CH Watchdogs Zulu in her 6th generation, and it has the breeder as Watchdog Farm and the owner as Watchdog? So would that be the orignal dog, also Watchdogs Big Thor and Watchdogs Zulu. Have you heard of any of them?

Yah I looked more into the gaff in her ped and she has alot of great foundation gaff. I am overall happy of the outcome from her breedings because she is a wonderful pup. I am hoping to one day see if she can do something like weightpull. We will see though!

cane76 $Infractions Award$ · 11-08-2008, 09:17 PM

yes they are some foundation stock of Casey Couturie{sp]

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 09:19 PM

Thanks again Cane, I just thought it would be fun to see who and what is in her background. I have never really paid attention to what was on a pedigree before and actually it is kind of interesting.

cane76 $Infractions Award$ · 11-08-2008, 09:30 PM

If you search watchdog and TNT on here photos of those dogs will be available,for some reason my photo bucket doesn't work but a advertisement for the american bull dog journal or gazette or whatever has a photo of 4 good looking dogs.

wait it does work,nice,you dont have to search those threds for photos,they never go well anyhow,and turn into arguments within the first couple posts usually.

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 09:40 PM

Yah those are some awesome looking dogs, I have all 3 of the studs on that paper on her ped. Here are the pictures from her ped of all 3! I think Blue Bully is extremely good looking.

Lol, I guess this explains why Nevaeh is on the heavier side!

ARK_Kennel · 11-08-2008, 10:25 PM

Wow.... Those APBT sure do look BULLY.

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 10:48 PM

I believe watchdog IS more of a bully breed to some. I think it always depends on who you talk to whether something is bully or not. I know that Nevaeh has tons of drive, so call her what you want, but I know what she is to me.

SadieBlues · 11-08-2008, 11:14 PM

Well in all fairness there were some bully looking gamedogs that were not blue or from bully lines. I like the old watchdog strain those were some nice looking dogs and depending on who you ask your going to get different opinions about the line I have heard people say old watchdog is apbt but todays watchdog is bully guess it just depends on who your talking to neveah is a beautiful girl and I am sure you will do lots with her

ericschevy · 11-08-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SadieBlues

I have heard people say old watchdog is apbt but todays watchdog is bully.

I've read the same thing numerous times..

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-08-2008, 11:36 PM

LOL, I have also been reading the same thing, which leaves me clueless on whether I call her my APBT or my bully! Her sire was only 65 lbs. and her dam 45 lbs. The gaff and watchdog that she does have in her peds are the foundation stock, none of that new watchdog. I have a feeling she will be around 60 lbs. when full grown, right now she is a bit overweight, bleh. She puts on weight so darn easily even after all the running, swimming, and excersizing she does everyday.

ARK_Kennel · 11-09-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs_APBT_America

LOL, I have also been reading the same thing, which leaves me clueless on whether I call her my APBT or my bully! Her sire was only 65 lbs. and her dam 45 lbs. The gaff and watchdog that she does have in her peds are the foundation stock, none of that new watchdog. I have a feeling she will be around 60 lbs. when full grown, right now she is a bit overweight, bleh. She puts on weight so darn easily even after all the running, swimming, and excersizing she does everyday.

She could have a thyroid problem.

Mrs_APBT_America · 11-09-2008, 05:05 PM

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She could have a thyroid problem.

What are the other symptoms of that and how would I know if she does? When I took her to the vet for a check up and mentioned the weight, he said she looked really healthy that she was just really solid and a growing puppy! She acts extremely healthy, very alert. I will keep an eye on her though, like I said, she is 6 1/2 months and 50 lbs. but just by reading some of these other threads, I see alot of people on here where there dog weighs the same if not more, BUT it us usually the bully breed. Well, I will just have to see how she turns out and her overall weight.

cane76 $Infractions Award$ · 11-09-2008, 08:00 PM

i believe another symptom is unpredictable or uncontrolable rage,since you live in nor cal you can take her to UCD vet hospital,they do it all and I'm not sure but i believe if you let a student preform the procedure it can be free,don't quote me on that,could just be a rumor.