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Old 04-23-2012, 12:46 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I was going to liken it to crossfit vs. body builder vs. power lifter. Which of the three do you think is the most functional? (Hint: it's not the power lifter or body builder). With the APBT it's more about function than form - what it looks like isn't what matters, but whether it can get the job (whatever that may be) done.
CROSSFIT all day long girl!I can push press and deadlift more than half the dudes at one of my gyms (obviously not my Crossfit gym) that look like they could lift a house. Anyway, carry on!
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I actually have experience here .. TOO .. imagine..

Okay.. In 2001 I put a regiment on Hooch to increase his lung strength and bulk him up; I did similar routines over and over everyday. He went to 85lbs of RIPPED bulldog that could pull a Chevy Scottsdale 1500 50yds one way and the other.. I then had to run him down to hog test him properly; I used a particular regiment I designed and it turn him into a 73lb coffin nail. Then I used a handlwaking regiment and took him down to 60lbs.. At this weight Hooch made enough waves I decide he could just house dog it on out he gained back to 73-75lb range and in 2006 he grabbed a mtn lion. R.I.P 2010.. Lived fast and hard.

So yes you can produce regiments that bulk your dog, is it ideal? Not Really..

My dogs i have now get to rest in the winter but we are building dogs here that are just as hard as hooch ever was, I dont worry about bulk it gets in the way; I like a solid dog with great wind and a superb mind.. They are working predator control dogs and bear and coyote hunting dogs from April to October. Have to be hard to be slapped by a bear and NOT break. Or to be mobbed by 5 or more coyotes and come out with 3 dead with minimal damage to the dog. The right combo and you'll turn your dog into velvet and steel
did this with my dog to. i help her put on 10 pounds of lean muscle. she went from 54 pounds not that cut to 64 and ripped from head to toe. i could see the veins in her cheeks and on top of her head. what i would do to work her front legs was tie her to my dock and through a stick over her head. she would go from swiming fast to even faster. then id real her back in haha and do it again. i hung a spring pole over the the water to get her to jump out of the water as hard as she could. id hang it low so she was just a little bit out of the water so when she would grab it and start twisting anround the water would create more resistant. all this water working i did with her made it she could swim for hours without stopping and still run out of the water and at crazy and happy to see house guest. i love this breed they are unstoppable
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i dont think dogs are as weak as us. i think they are better built for that kinda stuff. my girl seeamed to be ready to work after a day of rest. acting like id left her in a cage her whole life. i really think that doing this with your dog could make them live for ever if you can keep there bones and joints healthy.
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i dont think dogs are as weak as us. i think they are better built for that kinda stuff. my girl seeamed to be ready to work after a day of rest. acting like id left her in a cage her whole life. i really think that doing this with your dog could make them live for ever if you can keep there bones and joints healthy.
the human being is vastly superior in just about every way.
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the human being is vastly superior in just about every way.
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you have yet to say what you disagree with
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you have yet to say what you disagree with
I disagree with the way you go about stating things.
not exactly your opinions but the way you go about conversation.
it reminds me of someone with zero social skills.
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did this with my dog to. i help her put on 10 pounds of lean muscle. she went from 54 pounds not that cut to 64 and ripped from head to toe. i could see the veins in her cheeks and on top of her head. what i would do to work her front legs was tie her to my dock and through a stick over her head. she would go from swiming fast to even faster. then id real her back in haha and do it again. i hung a spring pole over the the water to get her to jump out of the water as hard as she could. id hang it low so she was just a little bit out of the water so when she would grab it and start twisting anround the water would create more resistant. all this water working i did with her made it she could swim for hours without stopping and still run out of the water and at crazy and happy to see house guest. i love this breed they are unstoppable
That's a great way to.build muscleand minimize joint issues!
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nalasdaddy, .. yes swimming and jumps from the edge of the water, don't have any docks to use, a few public, but I like my solitude when working my dogs. Canine equivalent of up downs and ladder drills I also could get my dogs to dig they don't know what for they just dig til the find something or I tell em to stop, so I use digging as well, a favorite thing to do in oklahoma was up downs withthe weighted harness, 24 rows of 6ft round bails.. Yeppers.. but thats different mass increase its not bulking its building a heavier athlete kinda like when Holyfield and like Roy Jones Jr., who both moved from light middleweights up to very cut and badass heavy weights for a period of time, problem is they never ran it all off and went back to their NORMAL bone mass size and so the engine craps out. Ran down to original mass size and swam and worked stamina wise really increases the performance at this time because they already WORK HEAVY WEIGHT HARD; but now they've got NOTHING holding them down; I've found that seasonal work like a professional boxer from packing it on to strict regiments works best with these dogs.
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nalasdaddy, .. yes swimming and jumps from the edge of the water, don't have any docks to use, a few public, but I like my solitude when working my dogs. Canine equivalent of up downs and ladder drills I also could get my dogs to dig they don't know what for they just dig til the find something or I tell em to stop, so I use digging as well, a favorite thing to do in oklahoma was up downs withthe weighted harness, 24 rows of 6ft round bails.. Yeppers.. but thats different mass increase its not bulking its building a heavier athlete kinda like when Holyfield and like Roy Jones Jr., who both moved from light middleweights up to very cut and badass heavy weights for a period of time, problem is they never ran it all off and went back to their NORMAL bone mass size and so the engine craps out. Ran down to original mass size and swam and worked stamina wise really increases the performance at this time because they already WORK HEAVY WEIGHT HARD; but now they've got NOTHING holding them down; I've found that seasonal work like a professional boxer from packing it on to strict regiments works best with these dogs.
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Good topic though i will be the "damper..

You see, if we are talking about the APBT/Bulldog in every sense of the word, there is no point in increasing mass muscle as it hinders the natural movement, ability and foundation that creates the working dog as intended.

In human terms, there is a reason you see leaner, muscular people doing gymnastics, sprints and many sports vs body builder type.. While building mass on structure can be beneficial to a degree, you typically lose ability in the name of muscle.

The same goes with hounds, typically your larger mass dogs are not going to perform as well as the leaner muscular dogs.. If you want larger muscle, the American Bully is a prime foundation as you already have the genetics in place to create a "bulky" animal.

IN all sense, a bulky, large mass Bulldog is useless.. Under the name APBT, you wouldn't fair well in the show ring as it is not part of registry standard. You also, as mentioned, would not fair well in the use of test of character work or agility sport due to the amount of mass being carried.. Especially on what is typically a smaller frame.

Genetics, proper diet, proper conditioning methods and proper exercise/work is all you need to keep a dog in the best of shapes.. I'm not a fan of using "bulking products" in humans or dogs because you are relying less on natural foundation and more or less attempting to fight the grain of whats available through the dog.

It is a good topic, as i said but one that really is a dead end.. UNLESS you are looking at breeds more suited for this type of build, keep.
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You are 100% on point with the heal of your dog if you can find foods that are high in branch chained amino acids and redmeat is high in creatine.
If you have the money and can do it natural even more power to you cause the digestion rate is higher and its bioavailability is higher as well.
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I disagree with the way you go about stating things.
not exactly your opinions but the way you go about conversation.
it reminds me of someone with zero social skills.
Straight forward, to the point, and brutally honest.. some need this technique.

Do you actually disagree with an opinion? or just out to play devil's advocate?
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If you are looking into creating a "body builder" type physique than you are going to be removing natural mobility, agility and function for what you, the human, deems needed which is absurd. Even talking about American Bully as you say you have, too much = wont conform = useless dog as that is the purpose instilled from creation of the breed..

In fact, the very FEW American Bullies i have seen in superb condition are lean due to Bulldog genetics.. I've seen a few in pictures that are overly mass like a body builder and just look god awful..
I think the human athletes who have the most mobility, agility and function of all are gymnasts. And an amazing number of the pros have physiques that will put the average bodybuilder to shame:



A lot of the training that gymnasts do is bodyweight training, lots of pullups, dips, handstand pushups, etc. Maybe that's the secret to a functionally buff dog? No equipment, just all running, jumping, swimming, tugging, etc?
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Im sorry but dogs build and recover faster than humans. That is the only post ive made on someone elses thread............sooooooo how do i spread lies if all i do is ask.
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