my theory .....to a big muscular dog. (i know this will be a argumentative post)

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 04:48 AM

While I was at the gym I was thinking about a my training schedule to build muscle .
I myself on top of working a full time job am an amateur body builder and was thinking how my schedule to build muscle mass would apply to my dog.
as a bodybuilder you never do full body workouts you always split up your schedule into muscle groups so that you never over train and give adequate time to heal the muscle you have just broken down.
A example schedule for me is
Monday biceps
Tues shoulders
Wednesday legs
Thursday chest and triceps
Friday back

Now with a dog you have similar muscle groups and if you found exercises that train mostly a specific muscle and did 4 sets reps between 8 to 12 and several exercises for that muscle group.
Now onto supplementation I was thinking of products I take for muscle recovery.
Kre alkalyn creatine
Branch chained amino acids
protein and products to reduce estrogen and increase testosterone and reduce cortisol although the only products that would be sufficient and healthy for a dog would be kre alkalyn creatine and branch chained amino acids.
Links to studys.

jn.nutrition.org/content/136/7/2069S.full now they didn't include the effects of losing fat and increasing muscle recovery and endurance but there are studys if you research more into it.
As for kre alkalyn creatine its not like monohydrate Witch makes you get puffy and retain water. It is absorbed in the lower intestine and is buffer Ph to increase digestion and the atp synthesis.

Again this is theory on building muscle for a dog.

I know alot of people on here preach running and stuff like that but if you run you get a runners body if you train like a bodybuilder and have the diet of one you look like one.

Same goes for a dog.

I personally like being big and muscular and think its attractive on humans and dogs.

Yes there are aloft of dogs on here that are skinny and you see definition but its like.a.scronny kid with a six pack it simply doesn't count.
If you are big a muscular with a six pack its a whole different ball game.
If you are interested or have any thoughts on this please discuss!

**circlemkennels** · 04-20-2012, 07:26 AM

I have some "bulky" as you call it.. and a couple of "scrony kids" lol
The APBT was not designed to be a big bulky dog.. If you are weightpulling or doin other working activities with them then they can be "big and bulky" but when it comes to putting one in the show ring its not gonna place well

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by circlemkennels

I have some "bulky" as you call it.. and a couple of "scrony kids" lol
The APBT was not designed to be a big bulky dog.. If you are weightpulling or doin other working activities with them then they can be "big and bulky" but when it comes to putting one in the show ring its not gonna place well

Now here you have a valid point! Genetics! The limitation factor. Although the same would apply to an apbt as it does an am bully.
Bulky and not being able to walk takes away the range of motion from the dog. There is a fine balance to it.

If you where to set up a regiment like this it would be for the aesthetics of the dog and nothing more.

You mentioned in the ring.... well think of it this way even fitness models train this way just stay at a certain weight to keep them from getting bigger and so they maintain the size that they're agent wants.

**Firehazard** · 04-20-2012, 01:53 PM

I actually have experience here .. TOO .. imagine..

Okay.. In 2001 I put a regiment on Hooch to increase his lung strength and bulk him up; I did similar routines over and over everyday. He went to 85lbs of RIPPED bulldog that could pull a Chevy Scottsdale 1500 50yds one way and the other.. I then had to run him down to hog test him properly; I used a particular regiment I designed and it turn him into a 73lb coffin nail. Then I used a handlwaking regiment and took him down to 60lbs.. At this weight Hooch made enough waves I decide he could just house dog it on out he gained back to 73-75lb range and in 2006 he grabbed a mtn lion. R.I.P 2010.. Lived fast and hard.

So yes you can produce regiments that bulk your dog, is it ideal? Not Really..

My dogs i have now get to rest in the winter but we are building dogs here that are just as hard as hooch ever was, I dont worry about bulk it gets in the way; I like a solid dog with great wind and a superb mind.. They are working predator control dogs and bear and coyote hunting dogs from April to October. Have to be hard to be slapped by a bear and NOT break. Or to be mobbed by 5 or more coyotes and come out with 3 dead with minimal damage to the dog. The right combo and you'll turn your dog into velvet and steel

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Firehazard

I actually have experience here .. TOO .. imagine..

Okay.. In 2001 I put a regiment on Hooch to increase his lung strength and bulk him up; I did similar routines over and over everyday. He went to 85lbs of RIPPED bulldog that could pull a Chevy Scottsdale 1500 50yds one way and the other.. I then had to run him down to hog test him properly; I used a particular regiment I designed and it turn him into a 73lb coffin nail. Then I used a handlwaking regiment and took him down to 60lbs.. At this weight Hooch made enough waves I decide he could just house dog it on out he gained back to 73-75lb range and in 2006 he grabbed a mtn lion. R.I.P 2010.. Lived fast and hard.

So yes you can produce regiments that bulk your dog, is it ideal? Not Really..

My dogs i have now get to rest in the winter but we are building dogs here that are just as hard as hooch ever was, I dont worry about bulk it gets in the way; I like a solid dog with great wind and a superb mind.. They are working predator control dogs and bear and coyote hunting dogs from April to October. Have to be hard to be slapped by a bear and NOT break. Or to be mobbed by 5 or more coyotes and come out with 3 dead with minimal damage to the dog. The right combo and you'll turn your dog into velvet and steel

It may or not be ideal for most but for those out there who would like their dogs to acquire body's like that I'm assuming this is the way to go about it.
Bcaa's positive effect on dogs really interests me because most of the dog muscle products don't have them and have regular ccreatine witch would tear a dogs stomach to knots.

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 03:13 PM

During more research I found a place that sells branch chained amino acid and creatine together . The products I suggested are accordingly used by most if not all race horses.
Products list / Products / CEVA Australia - CEVA Australia[product/category:Category]=anabolic+agents+%2Fbody+condition+%2Fweight

**Firehazard** · 04-20-2012, 03:35 PM

Im a naturalist.. all the best vitamins an minerals are in a good balanced diet of fresh raw foods. Knowing what properties foods have, are more than helpful. Just the way I roll.

Great questions, and topic!!

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Firehazard

Im a naturalist.. all the best vitamins an minerals are in a good balanced diet of fresh raw foods. Knowing what properties foods have, are more than helpful. Just the way I roll.

Great questions, and topic!!

You are 100% on point with the heal of your dog if you can find foods that are high in branch chained amino acids and redmeat is high in creatine.
If you have the money and can do it natural even more power to you cause the digestion rate is higher and its bioavailability is higher as well.

KMdogs · 04-20-2012, 04:56 PM

Good topic though i will be the "damper..

You see, if we are talking about the APBT/Bulldog in every sense of the word, there is no point in increasing mass muscle as it hinders the natural movement, ability and foundation that creates the working dog as intended.

In human terms, there is a reason you see leaner, muscular people doing gymnastics, sprints and many sports vs body builder type.. While building mass on structure can be beneficial to a degree, you typically lose ability in the name of muscle.

The same goes with hounds, typically your larger mass dogs are not going to perform as well as the leaner muscular dogs.. If you want larger muscle, the American Bully is a prime foundation as you already have the genetics in place to create a "bulky" animal.

IN all sense, a bulky, large mass Bulldog is useless.. Under the name APBT, you wouldn't fair well in the show ring as it is not part of registry standard. You also, as mentioned, would not fair well in the use of test of character work or agility sport due to the amount of mass being carried.. Especially on what is typically a smaller frame.

Genetics, proper diet, proper conditioning methods and proper exercise/work is all you need to keep a dog in the best of shapes.. I'm not a fan of using "bulking products" in humans or dogs because you are relying less on natural foundation and more or less attempting to fight the grain of whats available through the dog.

It is a good topic, as i said but one that really is a dead end.. UNLESS you are looking at breeds more suited for this type of build, keep.

phrlandy · 04-20-2012, 05:25 PM

Yeah like I said earlyer there is that sweet spot so that they don't loose range of motion

zohawn · 04-22-2012, 12:32 AM

our dogs are navy SEALs. other big and ripped dogs are marines. we have all arounders and not a breed that has only 1 use.

not that size matters in the slightest - exercise, a positive attitude and mental toughness are the keys to win

Carriana · 04-22-2012, 12:41 AM

I was going to liken it to crossfit vs. body builder vs. power lifter. Which of the three do you think is the most functional? (Hint: it's not the power lifter or body builder). With the APBT it's more about function than form - what it looks like isn't what matters, but whether it can get the job (whatever that may be) done.

phrlandy · 04-22-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Carriana

I was going to liken it to crossfit vs. body builder vs. power lifter. Which of the three do you think is the most functional? (Hint: it's not the power lifter or body builder). With the APBT it's more about function than form - what it looks like isn't what matters, but whether it can get the job (whatever that may be) done.

I have a bully so its a little different. I think this has gotten a little off topic. Building muscle isn't a easy task having a schedule like this and also rrunning and spring pole wouldn't hinder your dogs all around ffunction unless u increase on the weights and keeep on. Once u are at the size u would want just maintain it.

zohawn · 04-22-2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by phrlandy

I have a bully so its a little different. I think this has gotten a little off topic. Building muscle isn't a easy task having a schedule like this and also rrunning and spring pole wouldn't hinder your dogs all around ffunction unless u increase on the weights and keeep on. Once u are at the size u would want just maintain it.

whats the point of this thread? body chemistry? the difference between human and dog? im lost

**motocross308** · 04-22-2012, 03:24 AM

i may have missed it but what are you training this dog for ? if its just for the dogs health then you should just do normal stuff .. let em have a good time . maybe some light pulling and swimming. If your gonna pull with him , practice pullin , long drag weigh combined with sessions of heavy burst pulling ( lots of warming up) has worked best for me so far .