roleary

I believe you missed my point dear friend, as I never suggested a weight collar would contribute a bit to any adba associated sport or any dog sport for that matter, in fact I don't think a weight collar would do much for any sport, perhaps show if anything.
My point WAS however that conditioning surely requires, or a program would at the very least benefit more from, a variety of tools and methods including but not limited to flirtpole work. This you have actually acknowledged by mentioning your mill and the benefits of springpoles, therefore you have contradicted yourself in some respect as in your previous post you stated that simply by use of a flirtpole you could kick any other conditioners butt in an unspecified sport regardless of which or how many methods they use.

My question WAS and IS what sport is it that you claim sole use of a flirtpole would surpass a variety of methods, including the flirtpole? Or perhaps I misunderstood your post...

roleary

I would agree with you entirely concerning muscle mass in a dog for weightpull, as in any sport dog or human, lean and mean is better than short and stalky (in my biased opinion of course). However this does not do much to correct your over generalization in stating that muscle mass is never a desirable trait in a dog except a bully. In fact even the thinnest and fittest 35 pound bull dog displays its muscle mass wonderfully in this breed and I personally find it quite pleasing to see a well toned muscled dog. It just doesn't seem correct to state that muscle mass is not desirable except in bullies, surely lean muscle mass is quite desirable in any dog.

roleary

I would love too, and some day hopefully I will find the time and capabilities to get involved seriously in the sports, however as for now I am more of a spectator and pitbull hobbyist as I spend my days mostly in study, but someday I will get out of the city and into the...uh...... conformation ring! lol And ill bring my dog!

DieselDawg

It is funny that "Greg Mealers' Dogs" and "Lean" are mentioned together in the same post. He breeds for size 85-120+ pounds for weight pull dogs...calling those APBTs is questionable. They are mixes that perform great in the 100+ pound weight pulling classes. APBTs...???

RonnyMc "Jaymo's Dad"

Good looking out on the advice. I know a flirtpole would be easy for me to make based on the videos I found on utube... I've never tried it, but it sure sounds like it works from what I've read in this thread. My problem is the ONLY types of trees in either of the parks I bring him are pines and they don't have those horizontal branches I could use to hang one without us both getting scratched and covered in sap and pine needles.. is there any use to tying it low and having him play tug of war with it or will he immediately get bored and start scratching, biting and growling at me as usual?

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roleary

A dog will get twice the workout with the rope low as he would hanging mid air as he will vigorously use his back legs along with neck/back/jaw muscles.

Sampsons Dad

My dogs won't touch anything that I am not tugging on. When I put up a tug toy on a tree bough they would only bite it if I teased them with it. I decided to stick to the flirt pole and tug toys.

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shadowgames

Maybe we are missing each other. In terms of having one piece of equipment, nothing surpass a flirtpole. The benefits from the one pole is unmearsurable IMO, you can work the front end, the rear end, neck and the intense breathing of the cardo work is a all around perfect piece of equipment for our breed. Without debate and different opinions we would have the great country we call the USA, all in good fun roleary.

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shadowgames

Official Pit Bull Site of Diane Jessup - I hate to post anything to do with this woman but the link is true and correct on a flirtpole. I use this one built like hers and like it the best because of the ability to "whip" around the tug. I use burlap cloth from walmart at 1.99 a yard, 5 yards last 7 dogs a year.

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roleary

Oh ok, indeed I misunderstood you shadowgames.
In regards to Diane Jessup, I have heard so many side comments about her, why the negative feelings? I found her site rather informative, although she does promote her own opinions perhaps a bit much...

shadowgames

Not am not a fan of her opinions but everyone is intitled to their own but what she did PAT PATRICK dogs, basically stole them in a sense with the help of the HSUS is BS. Her training of the true APBT is against the grain of wood with me, no bulldog shouldn't be trained in human aggression. I am not going through this arguement again. On top of that what she did with B. Sorrels ex, is another prime example of why I don't like her but it is a long story. But I am also not a fan of HSUS/PETA / or many of these rescue groups also. I just can't stomach a game bred dog like hers doing Schutzhund and then she talks crap on breeding and then breeds herself. Just to much BS politics with her for my liking, she is a politician of the breed not lover of it. IMO and I don't care to argue her, she isn't worth my time or effort.

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RonnyMc "Jaymo's Dad"

I can't thank you guys enough for the flirtpole advice. I gotta post pictures of this thing and what Jaymo looks like right now.

I went to Walmart looking for a retractable painting pole extension expecting to spend $10 for that and a couple bucks for some string to tie to the end of it, but they didn't have one that looked flexible in any way.

I bought two yard sticks, 50 cents each and 50 feet of camouflage camping cord/ string for a total of 2.76!

When I got home I drilled a whole in the ends of the yard sticks, fed the string through and knotted it. I duct taped over that and four total times to keep the to sticks together. At the end of about 4.5 feet of the string I tied a knotted rag. Before he even saw it!..!..!.. He was screaming and crying outside of my office door. He must have known it was for him.

I brought him to the park near my condo and staked and tied him out. I thought you were pulling my leg with the 15 minutes of exercise with this thing, but he is WIPED WIPED out. I tried to take a little walk with him afterward around the camping area to get some sun and show him off but he looked at me as if to say "I just can't do anymore"! He is FLAT at my feet without movement... hahahah

Thanks again for the advice. I feel like I just hit for thousands on a scratch off. Can you imagine? Hundreds of dollars on these stupid gimmicky toys and hours and hours of walking morning and night and all I needed to do was come here to gopittbull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys definitely rock.

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Msmith1

A flirtpole or springpole work fine!

The flirtpole works my dogs legs out like crazy! I have been using one for about 2 weeks now and you can tell the difference. My flirtpole is a PVC pipe wit a rope through it and a cloth or soft toy tied to the one end of the rope.

The springpole work out the neck and chest(I think). I take a chain around a tree branch with a clip to a spring then on the other end of the spring have another clip with a toy connected to it(like a tug toy)


A weight collar I never used I think it would do harm on their necks... I have used a weight vest before on walks with my boy Toby I haven't used it that much now because it is summertime to hot for them to have all the extra weight I believe...

FOSTER

why not use a wieghted harness instead of a collar and avoid the poss neck problems. plus it would be more balanced on the dog

pitking2

I'd like to make a spring pole. Can anyone tell me how?