differentce between apbt and bully? - Page 2

Oldskool Brent · 07-03-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vdubbinya

Ok. since u all know it all. lets show some good representations of the breed. what about my boy (weighing in at 52 lbs, *COUGH*, in your standard, *COUGH*) 100% RAZORS EDGE (so that u all know hes bully

) i hate how all bullies are lumped together by apbt people.

but u guys know more than i do so

i dont know about u guys but i dont really see the mastiff

It's a good looking dog, and if you're happy then that's good. One of the best looking Razor dogs I have seen, but I stand by my assessment and my opinion. I would never buy a dog with any of that Bully line in it because the entire concept and people doing it went in a direction I have no interest in and quite frankly think was an ill informed decision.

los44 · 07-03-2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldskool Brent

Just the same, I'd like to see the breed go away or have a full on name change that doesn't have bull or american in the name. Then saturate the TV for 1 solid week with nothing but programs about the differences between the two and that any pit bull over 80 pounds is not a pit bull, and 80 was being nice.

and what would a full name change do or the breed just going away? would it stop the bsl or the public from lumping them together. what does it change for the apbt? whats the need to saturate the tv with the difference between the 2 breeds, if ya wanna saturate the tv maybe you should try saturating it with what beautiful breeds pitbulls are and showing the breeds in a good light. i ask you are bullys the dogs out there biting people? after all they are bred for temperament or lazyness as many apbt fanatics would say, i guess bullys are the reason global warming is up too, correct?

this thread wasnt about if you like the bully breed its about the difference between the breeds, there are enough bully bashing threads on here im pretty sure you can find one!

los44 · 07-03-2009, 05:50 AM

back to the topic

the apbt is a game dog, high prey drive just an overall performance dog, i would say a jack of all trades master of none well i take that last common back i dont think you will find a gamer dog than a well bred apbt. the bully on the other hand is bred for aesthetic reasons for the most part, wide muscular dogs, alot of bone, big heads. me personally i like a very clean bully, i really cant stand the overdone bullys though i like a few(i have to be honest) a well bred bully ive come to admire is ramos kennels porkchop express, well bred and good looking dog overall, ast blood on the bottom i would post pics but it say i have gone over my limits so i will post a link porky

**Roxy_Nie** $Infraction Award$ · 07-03-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by los44

back to the topic

the apbt is a game dog, high prey drive just an overall performance dog, i would say a jack of all trades master of none well i take that last common back i dont think you will find a gamer dog than a well bred apbt. the bully on the other hand is bred for aesthetic reasons for the most part, wide muscular dogs, alot of bone, big heads. me personally i like a very clean bully, i really cant stand the overdone bullys though i like a few(i have to be honest) a well bred bully ive come to admire is ramos kennels porkchop express, well bred and good looking dog overall, ast blood on the bottom i would post pics but it say i have gone over my limits so i will post a link porky

He is a great looking bully....

Nizmo · 07-03-2009, 01:39 PM

we've have hundreds of this same thread, look the ish up in other posts, im getting sick of all BS, everyone has there opnion and this subject has been beaten to death a million times. there no need to start a new thread when there like 12 of them out there on this subject. DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING LAZY AND USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. these threads just turn into arguements and its anooying. its the same thing every day.
for the newbies, the search button is your best friend, but for some reason you cant find what your looking for ask around and dont be afraid to post a question. there is no stupid question and the more questions you ask the more you learn. just before you post you should see if its already been posted.

but these type of threads have beaten beyond death, theres a new thread started like everyday. before you post, use the search button...

maybe im grumpy but im tired of hearing the same old ish posted 234 times a day.

DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING LAZY.

i know were here to help but if the info is already on th site then hit the search button and actually research this site before you post up a question.

were here to help but people need to take initiative and do the research themselves and if they cant figure something out or need help, then would be the appropriate time to post a thread. or see a vet. i know moneys tight and people look here for info to help there animals but not all of these facts on the site are correct.

im not even sure this went into the right thread, im kinda drunk, BUT i wrote all that so im going to post it anyway, i just lost my train of thought and thought this was the thread but at this point idk. lol. SORRY

mods feel free to move some where appropriate or delete it...

**StaffyDaddy** · 07-03-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nizmo357

we've have hundreds of this same thread, look the ish up in other posts, im getting sick of all BS, everyone has there opnion and this subject has been beaten to death a million times. there no need to start a new thread when there like 12 of them out there on this subject. DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING LAZY AND USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. these threads just turn into arguements and its anooying. its the same thing every day.
for the newbies, the search button is your best friend, but for some reason you cant find what your looking for ask around and dont be afraid to post a question. there is no stupid question and the more questions you ask the more you learn. just before you post you should see if its already been posted.

but these type of threads have beaten beyond death, theres a new thread started like everyday. before you post, use the search button...

maybe im grumpy but im tired of hearing the same old ish posted 234 times a day.

DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP BEING LAZY.

i know were here to help but if the info is already on th site then hit the search button and actually research this site before you post up a question.

were here to help but people need to take initiative and do the research themselves and if they cant figure something out or need help, then would be the appropriate time to post a thread. or see a vet. i know moneys tight and people look here for info to help there animals but not all of these facts on the site are correct.

im not even sure this went into the right thread, im kinda drunk, BUT i wrote all that so im going to post it anyway, i just lost my train of thought and thought this was the thread but at this point idk. lol. SORRY

mods feel free to move some where appropriate or delete it...

Yeah before you go calling someone an idiot or go on sounding like a broken record...

maybe even mr drunk *** up there

(u know im play nizmo) can tell you that all you have to do is search and VOILA you will see a whole list of these threads..

IMO American Bully sounds like a good enough name. They come from bully breeds, DUH!

Oldskool Brent · 07-03-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by los44

and what would a full name change do or the breed just going away? would it stop the bsl or the public from lumping them together. what does it change for the apbt? whats the need to saturate the tv with the difference between the 2 breeds, if ya wanna saturate the tv maybe you should try saturating it with what beautiful breeds pitbulls are and showing the breeds in a good light. i ask you are bullys the dogs out there biting people? after all they are bred for temperament or lazyness as many apbt fanatics would say, i guess bullys are the reason global warming is up too, correct?

this thread wasnt about if you like the bully breed its about the difference between the breeds, there are enough bully bashing threads on here im pretty sure you can find one!

I'll give my opinion when I feel like it, and that guy asked for feedback on his dog.

I've owned the breed for 28 years, before an America Bully was even bred and they, and their audience, are the epitomy of the problem. Maybe not the dogs themselves, but surely the locig, or lack there of, behind them. The dogs got into the inner cities, and then breeders that didn't get it furthered a problem exponentially. The fact you don't get it comes to no shock to me. I can deal with a dog aggressive dog with an even disposition, it's a known commodity, and not hard at all to avoid problems. I can't deal with a dog that has a pit's strengths and a bunch of one family style anti-social tendancies, and neither can society which is why were at this point and BSL's were created in the first place.

los44 · 07-05-2009, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldskool Brent

I'll give my opinion when I feel like it, and that guy asked for feedback on his dog.

I've owned the breed for 28 years, before an America Bully was even bred and they, and their audience, are the epitomy of the problem. Maybe not the dogs themselves, but surely the locig, or lack there of, behind them. The dogs got into the inner cities, and then breeders that didn't get it furthered a problem exponentially. The fact you don't get it comes to no shock to me. I can deal with a dog aggressive dog with an even disposition, it's a known commodity, and not hard at all to avoid problems. I can't deal with a dog that has a pit's strengths and a bunch of one family style anti-social tendancies, and neither can society which is why were at this point and BSL's were created in the first place.

what dont i get? that you want to pass on all the blame to the american bully, likes its the bullys fault bsl was created, like people werent breeding apbt muts before the bully was created, are you kidding me? in your 28 years have you not seen a apbt cross. cause youve owned the breed for 28 years doesnt mean a thing to me, i owned the breed for about 15 years before i got really educated on the breed, learning the history and doing my research on the breed. as far as your generalization on the dogs being anti social do me a favor and do some research, you see thats the problem people see what they want to see. there are some really great bullys out there you just have to find the right breeder, i agree most bully breeders are in it for the money but there are many trying to do things the right way.

i will also give my opinion when i feel like it

like i said if you wanna bash the breed there are plenty of threads where you can speak on your disdain for said breed

los44 · 07-05-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Roxy_Nie

He is a great looking bully....

i know, i love that boy! his sisters look great as well. zuzu and bella

Oldskool Brent · 07-05-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by los44

what dont i get? that you want to pass on all the blame to the american bully, likes its the bullys fault bsl was created, like people werent breeding apbt muts before the bully was created, are you kidding me? in your 28 years have you not seen a apbt cross. cause youve owned the breed for 28 years doesnt mean a thing to me, i owned the breed for about 15 years before i got really educated on the breed, learning the history and doing my research on the breed. as far as your generalization on the dogs being anti social do me a favor and do some research, you see thats the problem people see what they want to see. there are some really great bullys out there you just have to find the right breeder, i agree most bully breeders are in it for the money but there are many trying to do things the right way.

i will also give my opinion when i feel like it

like i said if you wanna bash the breed there are plenty of threads where you can speak on your disdain for said breed

Once again you didn't "get it." I don't bash the breed as much as the creation of it and the creators. Machismo idiocy, with these dogs being the epitomy of it, has doomed the classic APBT and replaced it in the public's eye with these 100 pound mutants.

los44 · 07-05-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskool Brent

Once again you didn't "get it." I don't bash the breed as much as the creation of it and the creators. Machismo idiocy, with these dogs being the epitomy of it, has doomed the classic APBT and replaced it in the public's eye with these 100 pound mutants.

yes, i dont get it because i cannot comprehend why the bully has doomed the apbt, please enlighten me as to how the bully has done this. machismo will always be part of pitbull's or at least seen as so. im sorry to be the one to inform you that a pitbull is a pitbull whether it an american bulldog ast apbt bully ect ect in the publics eyes or in the eyes of the uneducated. you really have to research bullys cause in all reality most dont go near a 100# though they might look it, for the most part its xxl and xl bullys and thats because they are 20+ inches. like i said do your research on the bully.

as far as the breeders go like i said there are many out for a buck but i have come across quite a few with excellent breeding programs ethically speaking. i mean to each its own.

Oldskool Brent · 07-05-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by los44

yes, i dont get it because i cannot comprehend why the bully has doomed the apbt, please enlighten me as to how the bully has done this. machismo will always be part of pitbull's or at least seen as so. im sorry to be the one to inform you that a pitbull is a pitbull whether it an american bulldog ast apbt bully ect ect in the publics eyes or in the eyes of the uneducated. you really have to research bullys cause in all reality most dont go near a 100# though they might look it, for the most part its xxl and xl bullys and thats because they are 20+ inches. like i said do your research on the bully.

as far as the breeders go like i said there are many out for a buck but i have come across quite a few with excellent breeding programs ethically speaking. i mean to each its own.

Don't inform me of anything, it's hard enough to understand your writing as is. The people that made this breed, continue this breed, and breed for size have doomed this breed. Their close proximity to people, i.e; urban America and inner cities is a problem too. Those dogs aren't pits, never will be pits, and I'm sorry you think they are and sorrier that the ADBA is in need of money enough to accept them as pits. A bully may be a fine dog, I'll never know, and that's not my point anyways. You buy your massive dog and name it after some ghetto carpart or some biblical demon and I'll stick to ~45 pound pits named Daisy that actually change people's minds about the breeds and owners.

vdubbinya · 07-05-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldskool Brent

Don't inform me of anything, it's hard enough to understand your writing as is. The people that made this breed, continue this breed, and breed for size have doomed this breed. Their close proximity to people, i.e; urban America and inner cities is a problem too. Those dogs aren't pits, never will be pits, and I'm sorry you think they are and sorrier that the ADBA is in need of money enough to accept them as pits. A bully may be a fine dog, I'll never know, and that's not my point anyways. You buy your massive dog and name it after some ghetto carpart or some biblical demon and I'll stick to ~45 pound pits named Daisy that actually change people's minds about the breeds and owners.

and pike is ~54 lb, non dog/non human aggressive. i dont understand your logic on bullies are bad dogs. So if the dog is mixed, amstaff/apbt, you dont consider it as a pit? lol. And yes there are some that mix other breeds in. i dont argue that fact. but u act like people didnt mix a terrier with a bulldog to create your breed. one day, your dogs were mutts also. i wonder if there went through the same scrutiny as ambullies are going through now. And that day, it might have been produced for a purpse....a purpose that TODAY is illegal. What were ambullies bred for? Companions. When people say they are human aggressive, i want to

just dont understand your logic is all

we will agree to disagree. ---shane

oh and i forgot to add...im a 24 y/o white male, 2 kids, with college education that loves "pitbulls" not for their size, for their temperments and their personality. their loyalness. Not every ambully owner is what u percieve them to be. im not a hood figga

Oldskool Brent · 07-05-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vdubbinya

and pike is ~54 lb, non dog/non human aggressive. i dont understand your logic on bullies are bad dogs. So if the dog is mixed, amstaff/apbt, you dont consider it as a pit? lol. And yes there are some that mix other breeds in. i dont argue that fact. but u act like people didnt mix a terrier with a bulldog to create your breed. one day, your dogs were mutts also. i wonder if there went through the same scrutiny as ambullies are going through now. And that day, it might have been produced for a purpse....a purpose that TODAY is illegal. What were ambullies bred for? Companions. When people say they are human aggressive, i want to

just dont understand your logic is all

we will agree to disagree. ---shane

oh and i forgot to add...im a 24 y/o white male, 2 kids, with college education that loves "pitbulls" not for their size, for their temperments and their personality. their loyalness. Not every ambully owner is what u percieve them to be. im not a hood figga

I'm not as much against the dog as the creator's of it and the fact that the market is flooded with them and they are currently what people think a pit is. I really don't want to talk down about the dogs people own in here, that's not my goal at all. It's more the mentality behind the creation of that dog, which is built for size and looks, and the people just sopping it up and running with it.

Back before pits were wide known people would look at mine and just note how defined his muscles were. They weren't afraid of it at all, which was never the intention of a pit bull. While we can't turn back the hands of time, we could start going back to the basics, it would help all of us.

los44 · 07-06-2009, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldskool Brent

Don't inform me of anything, it's hard enough to understand your writing as is. The people that made this breed, continue this breed, and breed for size have doomed this breed. Their close proximity to people, i.e; urban America and inner cities is a problem too. Those dogs aren't pits, never will be pits, and I'm sorry you think they are and sorrier that the ADBA is in need of money enough to accept them as pits. A bully may be a fine dog, I'll never know, and that's not my point anyways. You buy your massive dog and name it after some ghetto carpart or some biblical demon and I'll stick to ~45 pound pits named Daisy that actually change people's minds about the breeds and owners.

i write the way i write if you do not understand it you are a moron sorry MORON yeah thats better

. wrong again breeding for size isnt what has doomed the breed, not having a function to give direction has hampered it just my opinion of course you are much more smarter than i so your theory must be right(sarcasm of course) ive lived in nyc practically all my life and the only dogs ive owned were apbt's never had a problem except for princess she was very protective of me loyal to a fault. wow how crazy is that, i lived in an urban area and my pits did really well, could you believe that. they are pitbulls by definition, look it up buddy, or better yet here is a link http://http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Pit_Bull.

your generalization of the bully breed owner is down right offensive, 30 year old college grad here buddy but i guess i dont fit the mold so i should just go out and buy a lab or poodle or should i just quit my job, collect welfare and then get me a bully(what a dilemma). once again i ask you how does your 45# apbt daisy change anything or you yourself because you must live in a cave far from the city because you own pitbulls and you would never live within a close proximity to people.

please answer the question of how 45#daisy changes peoples minds and what not!!!!! i mean does she walk on water or heal the sick? im just asking