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Old 08-04-2010, 03:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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How can you tell if the dog was used for fighting?

I just learned a shocking news(to me it is), that when we first got sugar home, we chained her because our neighbors boxer boy and pitbull girl started a fight with her through the wire fence. our uncle and aunt used to live next door so we basically had the same yard..now they sold the house and new neighbor is renting their house, the yard stays the same..ANYWAY, long story short, there's no privacy issues and our neighbor are super nice people.
the first day we took her from the back gate, neighbor's dogs came to see, i took sugar to greet them through the fence, the other pit started fighting, and the boxer followed. that caused sugar to start too...we pulled her back in time before anything could happen..that's why we chained her, while we were looking for a rescue group to answer back, a few days later the chain broke, I freaked out and went out to see if she jumped over to fight with the other dogs...but she was right in the yard playing, as if the other dogs didn't exist. we gave it another two or three days, she stayed fine. so i thought, ok, she's not aggressive.

but last night, my husband told me, when my father in law came to stay with us while sugar was still outside. that he saw her biting the other pitbull and wouldn't let go of her. she was biting through the wire fence. i yelled at my hubby, why didn't you tell me?? did she get hurt?? he said, i thought my dad already told you.

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now I'm feeling so unsettled. from what we see on her face, she apprently has many scars, and bite marks..how can you tell if she was a fighting dog??
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She has the typical temperament of most APBT's and that is to be Dog Aggressive or DA. That does not mean she was used for fighting and th scars could be from accidents like you had. The fact she didn't do anything the first time she got off makes me think no she was not used for fighting. Despite what many rescue groups want ppl to believe it is not common for a dog who has been fought to go through the adoption system. What type of chain set up do you have? If you have a proper chain set up with a proper collar then you can contain your dog, having a dog that DA is a big responsibility and it is your job to make sure that dog does not harm other dogs or animals outside your yard.
Also with APBT's NEVER let them "visit" or be "introduced" to other dogs like that you are just asking for trouble. They are not pack dogs especially when they are that DA you need to keep them away from other animals. You also need a break stick and learn how to use it.

Again what type of chain are you using and how is it anchored to the ground? You properbly need a heavier set up.
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Thats a "kennel fight" dogs through the fence.. a good way to lose a leg or a nose. She needs a kennel, I don't mean a crate, or a good chain. Its good to have her loose, but because of your situation its not good to leave her loose all the time. APBTs fight, they like it, they are pugnacious. An APBT that ignores the fight until its on their doorstep is the best dog to have and the reason the APBT was the mascot for the USA in WWI and WWII. Neutral but ain't afraid of any of em'.

How can you tell if an APBT is used for fighting? YOU CAN'T... You can tell if it has been used in multiple or as a roll dog by the numerous battle scars, I mean NUMEROUS. JUST BECAUSE AN APBT likes to FIGHT doesn't mean someone made him that way, thats just what they do, esspecially if you give them NOTHING ELSE TO DO.


A dog that is this scared up and is this happy is a roll dog, or what the media call a bait dog... Scars on Scars on Scars.. MIND YOU that alot of damage can happen in little time through a fence or while pulling dogs apart, thus the BREAK stick that ALL APBT owners should have, just pop em' off like an Alabama tick.
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She has the typical temperament of most APBT's and that is to be Dog Aggressive or DA. That does not mean she was used for fighting and th scars could be from accidents like you had. The fact she didn't do anything the first time she got off makes me think no she was not used for fighting. Despite what many rescue groups want ppl to believe it is not common for a dog who has been fought to go through the adoption system. What type of chain set up do you have? If you have a proper chain set up with a proper collar then you can contain your dog, having a dog that DA is a big responsibility and it is your job to make sure that dog does not harm other dogs or animals outside your yard.
Also with APBT's NEVER let them "visit" or be "introduced" to other dogs like that you are just asking for trouble. They are not pack dogs especially when they are that DA you need to keep them away from other animals. You also need a break stick and learn how to use it.

Again what type of chain are you using and how is it anchored to the ground? You properbly need a heavier set up.
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She has the typical temperament of most APBT's and that is to be Dog Aggressive or DA. That does not mean she was used for fighting and th scars could be from accidents like you had. The fact she didn't do anything the first time she got off makes me think no she was not used for fighting. Despite what many rescue groups want ppl to believe it is not common for a dog who has been fought to go through the adoption system. What type of chain set up do you have? If you have a proper chain set up with a proper collar then you can contain your dog, having a dog that DA is a big responsibility and it is your job to make sure that dog does not harm other dogs or animals outside your yard.
Also with APBT's NEVER let them "visit" or be "introduced" to other dogs like that you are just asking for trouble. They are not pack dogs especially when they are that DA you need to keep them away from other animals. You also need a break stick and learn how to use it.

Again what type of chain are you using and how is it anchored to the ground? You properbly need a heavier set up.
thank you lisa, we don't chain her anymore. she's inside with us. and I use leash to take her out to pee and poo. I realized it was my fault to take her to greet the other two dogs, now I walked her around to avoid the "meeting" with them. she's been doing great. I just don't know this dog, but as far as HA goes, she's definitely NOT. that's what my main concern is.
thanks for your answer, lisa.
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You still should have a chain setup so she can get some yard time, it's good for them to be cooped up in a house all the time without some outside time to be a dog. Do a search on chain setups on this site and you will see the proper set up you need.
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Thats a "kennel fight" dogs through the fence.. a good way to lose a leg or a nose. She needs a kennel, I don't mean a crate, or a good chain. Its good to have her loose, but because of your situation its not good to leave her loose all the time. APBTs fight, they like it, they are pugnacious. An APBT that ignores the fight until its on their doorstep is the best dog to have and the reason the APBT was the mascot for the USA in WWI and WWII. Neutral but ain't afraid of any of em'.

How can you tell if an APBT is used for fighting? YOU CAN'T... You can tell if it has been used in multiple or as a roll dog by the numerous battle scars, I mean NUMEROUS. JUST BECAUSE AN APBT likes to FIGHT doesn't mean someone made him that way, thats just what they do, esspecially if you give them NOTHING ELSE TO DO.


A dog that is this scared up and is this happy is a roll dog, or what the media call a bait dog... Scars on Scars on Scars.. MIND YOU that alot of damage can happen in little time through a fence or while pulling dogs apart, thus the BREAK stick that ALL APBT owners should have, just pop em' off like an Alabama tick.
that picture is horrible...horrible...it makes me wanna scream!!!
well, compare to this picture, scars on sugar's face are NOTHING then.
sorry I didn't make myself clear, that she's inside with us now. I take her out to the back yard on a leash. and we walk around where the other two dogs are. now that you also mention break sticks, I'm gonna check it out.
thanks for the information.
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You still should have a chain setup so she can get some yard time, it's good for them to be cooped up in a house all the time without some outside time to be a dog. Do a search on chain setups on this site and you will see the proper set up you need.
And good luck with the dog
thank you! my husband bought some chain at the pet section and wrapped it around a pole of the dog run, we chain her up there when we need to go out for a long period of time(4 hours or more) so she can play in the yard but not long enough to reach the other dogs...but we only did it twice so far. hasn't been any incidents. thank goodness!

you say it IS good for them ? or did you mean it is NOT? lol
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Hey, do ya'll have any good site where one could get a breaking stick? I realize that is defiantly something I should have in my home with the pits and American bulldogs, for that day when it all goes to hell lol
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You cant tell if they were used for fighting and one should never assume anything when it comes to this breed.

That picture does not look like a bait dog. A bait dog would have scars all over that dog in the picture looks like he went head to head where a bait dog (if there was such a thing) would have marks all over from trying to get away and being rolled over. that dog did a darn good job of keeping his legs and rear end outta the way for a bait dog.

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not hard to find or make.. its not a pry device rather its a device to imply the jaw muscles to release. The stick is tapered at the end and rounded as well so that it can slide in the bite gap of rear jaw and then is slighty turned. Allows the dog to come right off providing the intensity of the situation.

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Some people are advertising tazers and stunguns as electric breaking sticks.. LOL don't do that, the APBT is just the dog to take the aggression to a HULK like state and make your situation worse, not to mention the dog is touching you 9outta10 times when breaking up a dog fight, so if you zap your dog you zap yourself..
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You cant tell if they were used for fighting and one should never assume anything when it comes to this breed.

That picture does not look like a bait dog. A bait dog would have scars all over that dog in the picture looks like he went head to head where a bait dog (if there was such a thing) would have marks all over from trying to get away and being rolled over. that dog did a darn good job of keeping his legs and rear end outta the way for a bait dog.

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Of course,,you alread know; that is a confiscated roll dog, that the media promoted as a bait dog.
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not hard to find or make.. its not a pry device rather its a device to imply the jaw muscles to release. The stick is tapered at the end and rounded as well so that it can slide in the bite gap of rear jaw and then is slighty turned. Allows the dog to come right off providing the intensity of the situation.

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Some people are advertising tazers and stunguns as electric breaking sticks.. LOL don't do that, the APBT is just the dog to take the aggression to a HULK like state and make your situation worse, not to mention the dog is touching you 9outta10 times when breaking up a dog fight, so if you zap your dog you zap yourself..
True I had a guy let his pit loose on mine while I was walking it once and this fool comes out and tried to light my dogs nose on fire with a lighter he didnt realize that more pain just made him bite harder and shake more. So inflicting pain on them is a very bad idea, same thing with trying to beat the dog off.
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Of course,,you alread know; that is a confiscated roll dog, that the media promoted as a bait dog.
Oh ok I just hate the whole bait dog thing it rubs me the wrong way
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