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Old 08-26-2011, 03:31 AM   #31 (permalink)
 
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This is interesting that this post came up again because I was just thinking about the situation myself .. I have been bit in the shelter more times then I can count 90% of the time it was my fault for making a stupid mistake of trusting a dog that I didnt really know .. But the other day we had a break out in my friends house . She has two females and a male , she lives and breathes crate and rotate . Has no children in the house { I just had to add that in there lol }.. Names of the dogs are Mimi , Bella and chopper { wanted you to know for when I am telling the story }. Well she has had several excitment fights before . None of them leading to anyone being bitten .. But the last one was really intense , to the point that even after seeing hundreds of "grudge" fights as I like to call them it made me a little nervous after it was all said and done with .. Chopper and Mimi 90% of the time get along unless there are "High drive" toys in the room . Now Chopper somehow found one of these toys and didnt want to give it up .. I hid the toy and told the owner okay no harm done .. Well She put mimi away and brought Bella out and she came out full force and attacked chopper with more force then I have ever seen .. She is not full bred {part cane corso we believe}. Well When I tied off chopper and the owner attempted to tie off bella she attacked the owner and slammed her to the ground , chopper started freaking out , I didnt want to let him go fearing that she would start fighting over the owner creating more damage . So I threw him in a crate and started whacking bella with the broom handle . Like I said she is not full pit so a breakstick in this case from the knowledge I know would not have worked and would have gotten me bit in the process of trying . What would you have done in this situation .. ?
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I've got bit twice by my dog and both times was my fault. I lost a complete nail and had a nice gash on my hand where his tooth ripped it open. This was during a lot of play and we went after the toy at the same time so I don't feel I was the target, the toy was. However, aggression wouldn't be tolerated and I would have to pts no matter how bad it hurt.
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Old 08-26-2011, 04:38 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Stage has bit me before. He was in a deep deep sleep when it happened and I gave him a shove with my foot to move him and he swung round didnt even really wake up. then when he did it he was oh so sincere lol. Was my fault. I still have the momas boy
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Guess it also depends if your dogs bits you or a loved one.

If a dog bites me I can get over it quickly and therefore it would not be a bit issue, but if a dog bites a loved one its a completely different story.
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Old 08-26-2011, 11:26 AM   #35 (permalink)
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This is interesting that this post came up again because I was just thinking about the situation myself .. I have been bit in the shelter more times then I can count 90% of the time it was my fault for making a stupid mistake of trusting a dog that I didnt really know .. But the other day we had a break out in my friends house . She has two females and a male , she lives and breathes crate and rotate . Has no children in the house { I just had to add that in there lol }.. Names of the dogs are Mimi , Bella and chopper { wanted you to know for when I am telling the story }. Well she has had several excitment fights before . None of them leading to anyone being bitten .. But the last one was really intense , to the point that even after seeing hundreds of "grudge" fights as I like to call them it made me a little nervous after it was all said and done with .. Chopper and Mimi 90% of the time get along unless there are "High drive" toys in the room . Now Chopper somehow found one of these toys and didnt want to give it up .. I hid the toy and told the owner okay no harm done .. Well She put mimi away and brought Bella out and she came out full force and attacked chopper with more force then I have ever seen .. She is not full bred {part cane corso we believe}. Well When I tied off chopper and the owner attempted to tie off bella she attacked the owner and slammed her to the ground , chopper started freaking out , I didnt want to let him go fearing that she would start fighting over the owner creating more damage . So I threw him in a crate and started whacking bella with the broom handle . Like I said she is not full pit so a breakstick in this case from the knowledge I know would not have worked and would have gotten me bit in the process of trying . What would you have done in this situation .. ?
i think break stick is something you shouldnt use on 2 dogs that arent apbt but if your prying her off the owner i really dont think the owners gonna bite you.

@blue why would it matter if its you or a loved one? if the bite is unwarranted then there is something wrong and needs to be immediately corrected. short story story when my mom was like 20 she got attacked by her ex husbands brothers rottie(un warranted attack my mom would never hurt or antagonize a dog), they got the dog offa her took it to the back and well it was the end of the road for the dog that simple thats how i think it should go. i've had an accidental bite its easy to figure out the difference between an accidental bite and a bite thats out of aggression(other than breaking up a situation between 2 dogs), but a dog that redirects at the owner and keeps going after the owner after an initial bite imo needs to be culled. just my opinion
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This is interesting that this post came up again because I was just thinking about the situation myself .. I have been bit in the shelter more times then I can count 90% of the time it was my fault for making a stupid mistake of trusting a dog that I didnt really know .. But the other day we had a break out in my friends house . She has two females and a male , she lives and breathes crate and rotate . Has no children in the house { I just had to add that in there lol }.. Names of the dogs are Mimi , Bella and chopper { wanted you to know for when I am telling the story }. Well she has had several excitment fights before . None of them leading to anyone being bitten .. But the last one was really intense , to the point that even after seeing hundreds of "grudge" fights as I like to call them it made me a little nervous after it was all said and done with .. Chopper and Mimi 90% of the time get along unless there are "High drive" toys in the room . Now Chopper somehow found one of these toys and didnt want to give it up .. I hid the toy and told the owner okay no harm done .. Well She put mimi away and brought Bella out and she came out full force and attacked chopper with more force then I have ever seen .. She is not full bred {part cane corso we believe}. Well When I tied off chopper and the owner attempted to tie off bella she attacked the owner and slammed her to the ground , chopper started freaking out , I didnt want to let him go fearing that she would start fighting over the owner creating more damage . So I threw him in a crate and started whacking bella with the broom handle . Like I said she is not full pit so a breakstick in this case from the knowledge I know would not have worked and would have gotten me bit in the process of trying . What would you have done in this situation .. ?
That is a total redirect and I would have that dog evaluated and maybe put down and here's why. It is one thing to get bit when in a dog fight, you get in the way, you surprise the dog and they think you are another dog, and so one but in those cases the dog should bite once then realizes it made a mistake, or it is only one grip. A dog who attackers a person like that multiple times is not a sound dog IMO and I would consider putting that dog down. That is a very dangerous dog to be able to redirect on a human and continue to attack.


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i think break stick is something you shouldnt use on 2 dogs that arent apbt but if your prying her off the owner i really dont think the owners gonna bite you.

@blue why would it matter if its you or a loved one? if the bite is unwarranted then there is something wrong and needs to be immediately corrected.
That is the whole thing, dogs are dogs and they have teeth and people get bit doing stupid things and it does not mean the dog is a bad dog. Unwarranted bites on the other hand, or a redirect to the point of attacking a human is grounds for PTS.


I will share Barca's story and how I got him back. I told Jaida that he would be DA if left with other dogs but because he was a pup she would not listen. Barca attacked her Rottie (I think it was the rottie) and she gabbed Barca by the waist and drug him back, he spun around and nailed her on the leg. Now Barca is the highest drive dog I have ever owned and he has a tendency to hold on when he goes into the zone. He gripped her leg and did not let go right away. That scared her and she told me she was going to put him down. It just goes to show you what an idiot people can be if they do not understand dogs and know how to properly break up a dog fight. You never grab a dog around the waist the chances of them spinning on you are high. He did not attack her her spun and bit once and held on. an unexperienced owner like her thought he was not sound and wanted to destroy one of my best dogs in my kennel and for reasons like this is why I only Co-own dogs. Because of the contract she signed she had to send him back to me. Now I did temperament test him to make sure there was nothing wrong and he is the sweetest dog and have never come close to biting me and has shown no DA here because he lives by himself. I can take him and his brother out on leash together and they are fine but if I left them off leash I am sure they would get into it.

These dogs are not for novice handlers (especially most of these game bred dogs) stupidity can lead to a dog bite and the dog still be perfectly sound.
Many bites like the one I described happen when people do not know how to properly manage these dogs. I get lots of dog bite evaluation calls where a dog as bitten or attacked someone. about 98% of the time it is from stupid people and we do not need to put the dog down.

My friend Boston Terrier just bit her child in the face, this is a baby who was born right when Justin was born and they are friends. They were letting the baby terrorize the poor Boston and the Boston was trying to be patient till she could not handle it any more and gave a warning nip. They wanted to place the dog but the dog is fine, control your baby and you will not have these issues. Justin is never allowed to bother the dogs and only is free with them when I am right there to make sure he is gentle. He is 10 months old and I have already taught him gentle and now he pets instead of hits. All examples of dogs being put in bad situations and in the end they will act like dogs.
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That is a total redirect and I would have that dog evaluated and maybe put down and here's why. It is one thing to get bit when in a dog fight, you get in the way, you surprise the dog and they think you are another dog, and so one but in those cases the dog should bite once then realizes it made a mistake, or it is only one grip. A dog who attackers a person like that multiple times is not a sound dog IMO and I would consider putting that dog down. That is a very dangerous dog to be able to redirect on a human and continue to attack.



That is the whole thing, dogs are dogs and they have teeth and people get bit doing stupid things and it does not mean the dog is a bad dog. Unwarranted bites on the other hand, or a redirect to the point of attacking a human is grounds for PTS.
This is what I told her and will continue to tell her .. as of now bella is in a outside kennel .. I will share with her your thoughts also ..
And also I didnt say the owner was going to bite me ,, Bella is a Cane corso and in trying to use a break stick I would have been bitten in the process.She had a good grip on her OWNERS arm and we couldnt get her to let go ...
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This is what I told her and will continue to tell her .. as of now bella is in a outside kennel .. I will share with her your thoughts also ..
And also I didnt say the owner was going to bite me ,, Bella is a Cane corso and in trying to use a break stick I would have been bitten in the process.She had a good grip on her OWNERS arm and we couldnt get her to let go ...
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I'm gonna cut to the chase.
theirs alot of bite situations,most understandable.
A bite,they out and out bite for no reason,theirs this bridge in okeechobee,theys lotsa gators under and around it.I'll throw the dog in and not feel A twinge of loss.I used to shoot them,or other folks dogs years ago.i've become green energy conscious.it also feeds nature. gators love dogs.I know.
right on.! give em to the gators, or funnier maybe give em to the pigs

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i'm hard on my dogs too... they know the look and they know not to mess w/ it.. Daisy will literally flop over and piss herself if i look at her crosseyed.. lol

they can tell by the way i carry myself if i'm angry w/ them..
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nice to see folk not squabble, and even those who use an agressive measure.
young dogs,full of pis$ and vinegar,they don't flip over til ya flip them, then they know who king doo doo is.
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That is the whole thing, dogs are dogs and they have teeth and people get bit doing stupid things and it does not mean the dog is a bad dog. Unwarranted bites on the other hand, or a redirect to the point of attacking a human is grounds for PTS.


dogs being put in bad situations and in the end they will act like dogs.
Knowing the difference in the bite is what answers the question.. as always
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I don't like to see dogs pts....But there is a need for it,and this is one of those times.
I agree with PK on this one. It could be the face next time,and she wont be as lucky.
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