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Old 06-20-2011, 12:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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angelbaby - Ok thank you, that's what I've thought to be right. Because I had also seen someone on the forum say they've argued with someone telling them Pit Bulls are a medium breed & someone was trying to convince them they aren't. Actually the man at the pet store did the same to me when returning Dai Ca's food that contained chicken. I was gonna go else where for Blue Buffalo & the man kept saying they could eat large breed food & I said "then they aren't a real Pit Bull, they're a Bully" lol

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You seem to be on a good path to learning about the breed. Keep getting stubborn with those that don't know jack, LOL. It is true, some APBT's have been known to get over 75 lbs, but these dogs are never used for breeding by traditional breeders. There's a saying, "The bigger they are, the bigger chance of being a cur."

About using large breed dog food, I'm not aware of any long term affects (I don't know what they might be), but using large breed food for a medium sized dogs can cause an overgrowth of loose skin, particularly around the neck. Also, they seem to get more of certain elements than needed. I learned this from somebody who used it on his dog, and he learned his lesson. Whether or not it may have the same effect on all dogs (I'm not gonna try it!), needless to say, I don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out it is called "large-breed" for a reason.

BTW, that man better find himself another job, as he has no business in a pet store if he's trying to advise customers into buying the wrong products for their pets........
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well, what i said was a bit too simplistic really. bully is basically just a term that was created to describe the "pit bulls" that were bred to look a certain way. in most cases its the short, big headed, muscular dogs. this look wasnt created by only breeding APBT to APBT, other breeds were used. however, its kinda tough to sell a mutt for 2000 bucks so they would just lie on registration papers and say they bred 2 APBT dogs. thats why you have all these huge "pit bulls" problem is, you have so many different shapes and sizes of bullies since no one can seem to get a breed standard straight for them. sadly, due in part to the bully breeding, the "pit bull" has just become a fad breed in many areas. this purple tri color dog is just another example, albeit a pretty one.
The american bully was not created using APBTx ABPT so whereever or whoever told you that doesnt know what they are talking about. They do have a standard for the breed as well its just there are breeders out there who say "they dont like show dogs" "they dont breed to standard they breed for themselves' or " Do you and ill do me " LMAO . Also someone commenting about bullies being curs now I can see that if they were APBT's but they are a seperate breed and not ABPT curs ,i believe a dog that looked like a APBT in the bully world would be considered a cur since it wouldnt fit the Am bully standard right? { not offending anyones dog just tryna get the point across to stop comparing} the purple dog is just a new fad , just as blue was a fad for awhile and how rare it was to have a blue dog LMAO Im sure we will see more purple dogs out there until everyone has one of them as well then maybe we will see the green pitbull, thats what im waiting for lol.
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The american bully was not created using APBTx ABPT so whereever or whoever told you that doesnt know what they are talking about. They do have a standard for the breed as well its just there are breeders out there who say "they dont like show dogs" "they dont breed to standard they breed for themselves' or " Do you and ill do me " LMAO . Also someone commenting about bullies being curs now I can see that if they were APBT's but they are a seperate breed and not ABPT curs ,i believe a dog that looked like a APBT in the bully world would be considered a cur since it wouldnt fit the Am bully standard right? { not offending anyones dog just tryna get the point across to stop comparing} the purple dog is just a new fad , just as blue was a fad for awhile and how rare it was to have a blue dog LMAO Im sure we will see more purple dogs out there until everyone has one of them as well then maybe we will see the green pitbull, thats what im waiting for lol.
read again. i said that bullies werent created by breeding APBT to APBT. and its really tough to make a case for there being a real standard in bully breeding when you have bully xl, pocket bully, ect....

as for a real APBT being called a cur in a bully show, that doesnt make sense to anyone who knows what "cur" means. by most common, dictionary meanings of the word it describes the bully breed perfectly, the APBT not so much.

honestly, i can understand the fad breeding to an extent. i am partial to mostly black dogs and red, red nose dogs. when picking a puppy, after everything else has been considered, i will let color help me choose a bit. i even think the blue dogs are beautiful and i was the proud owner of a nice looking bully/pitterstaff years ago.
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Here is the best "purple" tri I have ever seen and I want to steal her! lol
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wow this dog is really beautiful.
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read again. i said that bullies werent created by breeding APBT to APBT. and its really tough to make a case for there being a real standard in bully breeding when you have bully xl, pocket bully, ect....

as for a real APBT being called a cur in a bully show, that doesnt make sense to anyone who knows what "cur" means. by most common, dictionary meanings of the word it describes the bully breed perfectly, the APBT not so much.

honestly, i can understand the fad breeding to an extent. i am partial to mostly black dogs and red, red nose dogs. when picking a puppy, after everything else has been considered, i will let color help me choose a bit. i even think the blue dogs are beautiful and i was the proud owner of a nice looking bully/pitterstaff years ago.
Yes, there is a standard for the American Bully. The different classes are just amendments for HEIGHT. Each dog should still conform to the Standard class standard with height and age taken into consideration.

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read again. i said that bullies werent created by breeding APBT to APBT. and its really tough to make a case for there being a real standard in bully breeding when you have bully xl, pocket bully, ect....

as for a real APBT being called a cur in a bully show, that doesnt make sense to anyone who knows what "cur" means. by most common, dictionary meanings of the word it describes the bully breed perfectly, the APBT not so much.

honestly, i can understand the fad breeding to an extent. i am partial to mostly black dogs and red, red nose dogs. when picking a puppy, after everything else has been considered, i will let color help me choose a bit. i even think the blue dogs are beautiful and i was the proud owner of a nice looking bully/pitterstaff years ago.
I know rob but in your 1st statement it seemed as if you were implying that people claim they were made from APBT x ABPT which I havent ever heard anyone say that. The reason they could be registered n the UKC is the UKC allowed am staffs to be registered as APBT even though the AKC wont allow pitbulls to be registered as Am staffs. the breed american bully was created using am staffs and UKC show style APBT's so there really shouldnt have been any wrong doing on the paper work , however Dave wilson has commented that OTHER breeders may have used other breeds in there lines and yes those people obviously hung papers and such. Some dogs especially the Xl's you can obviously see other breeds like corso in them.

I agree with you color plays a role in my pups as well , I bought my 1st girl based on color 1st { not a great way to pick a pup but I lucked out with her} But many people have prefrences and dislikes as to color and markings , Id take a purple dog anytime lol I love those colors.
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I know rob but in your 1st statement it seemed as if you were implying that people claim they were made from APBT x ABPT which I havent ever heard anyone say that. The reason they could be registered n the UKC is the UKC allowed am staffs to be registered as APBT even though the AKC wont allow pitbulls to be registered as Am staffs. the breed american bully was created using am staffs and UKC show style APBT's so there really shouldnt have been any wrong doing on the paper work , however Dave wilson has commented that OTHER breeders may have used other breeds in there lines and yes those people obviously hung papers and such. Some dogs especially the Xl's you can obviously see other breeds like corso in them.

I agree with you color plays a role in my pups as well , I bought my 1st girl based on color 1st { not a great way to pick a pup but I lucked out with her} But many people have prefrences and dislikes as to color and markings , Id take a purple dog anytime lol I love those colors.

All staffs go back to APBT not all bullies go back to APBT or even Staffs I have heard many people say they never crossed anything but apbt to apbt one guy even tried to convince me that Garner had a huge dog on his yard to this day. Of course I had to find out myself and no Garner doesnt have a huge dog on his yard. Some of these bully people are scammers and ruining it for others its sad.
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yes Gamer your right there are alot of shady people and scammers ruining it for the breed. It is sad and until there is a change in the registeries it will continue and cause a lack of consistency in the breed. The people who say there is no crosses in bullys even apbt and am staff are not being tru to the history of the american bully. i talked to a breeder the other day of XL's and even he said there are corso's and mastiffs in there I was surprised to actually get an answer like that and from a breeder at that. So many deny deny and I dont know what the big deal is if its traits that are desired then why not own up to it especially if it was mixed so long ago , I dont think they should be mixing now I think the breed is established as such already but now its the fad breeders out there trying to make the new 'freak" or shortest or biggest its kinda a joke. If you want a huge dog get a presa or corso they are gorgeous dogs as is no need to mix to get them into bullys. As lauren said there is a standard just not everyone wants to follow it.
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Yes, there is a standard for the American Bully. The different classes are just amendments for HEIGHT. Each dog should still conform to the Standard class standard with height and age taken into consideration.

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yeah ive read that much about bullies at least to see what they consider a standard. having different variations of bully to me is contradictory to a standard in the first place. the extreme bullies dont even look to be the same breed of dog. we will just have to agree to disagree on this.
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All staffs go back to APBT not all bullies go back to APBT or even Staffs I have heard many people say they never crossed anything but apbt to apbt one guy even tried to convince me that Garner had a huge dog on his yard to this day. Of course I had to find out myself and no Garner doesnt have a huge dog on his yard. Some of these bully people are scammers and ruining it for others its sad.
bobby peru is kinda big. huge, no. some of those people do breed APBT to APBT, or at least they think they are. they might be able to convince me they didnt cross breed if those dogs actually looked like an APBT still. these bullies arent just a larger APBT, some of them look more like a corso or in some cases, an english bulldog. while i dont think all bullies are bad dogs and i still think some of them are nice looking, theyre on par with the labradoodle to me. not a real breed. hopefully some more responsible people can handle the breeding of them and try to keep this extreme fad breeding under control.
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yes Gamer your right there are alot of shady people and scammers ruining it for the breed. It is sad and until there is a change in the registeries it will continue and cause a lack of consistency in the breed. The people who say there is no crosses in bullys even apbt and am staff are not being tru to the history of the american bully. i talked to a breeder the other day of XL's and even he said there are corso's and mastiffs in there I was surprised to actually get an answer like that and from a breeder at that. So many deny deny and I dont know what the big deal is if its traits that are desired then why not own up to it especially if it was mixed so long ago , I dont think they should be mixing now I think the breed is established as such already but now its the fad breeders out there trying to make the new 'freak" or shortest or biggest its kinda a joke. If you want a huge dog get a presa or corso they are gorgeous dogs as is no need to mix to get them into bullys. As lauren said there is a standard just not everyone wants to follow it.
I have seen a nice change though in just the last year seem that some breeders are getting a constant look. I have to give props to those breeders doing the right thing by the new breed.
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It's nothing special. I've never heard of purple, usually called lilac. It is simply a dog w/ red nose (liver) and blue nose (dilute) genes that causes the black coat/pigment to be "purple". In a tri its a dog w/ tan point gene as well. Lots of byb have been pushing it. That's their game. It's a dog w/ several recessive genes. It's not that common but as w/ anything they think rare bybs will intentionally breed for it making a hugely popular. What will they move onto next.

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bobby peru is kinda big. huge, no. some of those people do breed APBT to APBT, or at least they think they are. they might be able to convince me they didnt cross breed if those dogs actually looked like an APBT still. these bullies arent just a larger APBT, some of them look more like a corso or in some cases, an english bulldog. while i dont think all bullies are bad dogs and i still think some of them are nice looking, theyre on par with the labradoodle to me. not a real breed. hopefully some more responsible people can handle the breeding of them and try to keep this extreme fad breeding under control.
The dogs bred in the 90s were no doubt APBT x Am Staff (on the RE side anyway Gotti is a whole other story). They shouldnt look like APBTs because they're American Bullies. The hyped up Internet champs are the only thing people see. Here are a few REAL Am Bullies and good representations of what the breed is supposed to be.


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il start by saying i like the look of bullies
the female tri is beautiful if i found one i would buy it!

as for the commit about lrg dog food and pet stores advice lol i got pumped was told to feed my apbt pup lrg dog food when it was a pup she said large dog food help the joints for the fast growing lrg/heavy dogs but that she recomends it for pitbull owners as pits are very energetic and that they do better with the help of the lrg dog breed foods!

about the excess skin around the neck! what else is there?
and with lots of exersise would you say the skin will go back to normal?
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