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09-21-2012, 02:06 PM
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Have not rewatched but if i remember the clip one of the stupid owners turned a JRT on its back like "i got this one" crap while multiple fights break out all around Cesar and crew. lmao idiots!!!
So I "knew" it was gonna happen cause along with the posturing both dogs stop breathing, mouths closed and started looking out the corner of their eye, the stink eye. When my boy is about to start trouble the first thing he does it stop breathing, if he is panting mouth immediately gets closed and he gets super stalker mode. I try to catch my boy before his mouth closes. Now i see his leg muscles tense before the breathing stops now. Each dog has their own tells IMO
I also was appalled at his trade offer. Does he really think all figs are the same you can trade then for different models that "get along fine" instead of crating and rotating?
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09-21-2012, 02:58 PM
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Wow, I just have to say, i was terrified of pit bulls at one time, but I have come to actually appreciate pit-bulls through watching CM. He is actually an advocate for the breed. He has educated owners and saved many bullie breeds through the years. He does everything to keep them from being euthanized. I think one of the reasons he was even airing this episode, The Worst Bite, was to show others that even a lab,recognized as gentle breed, can be aggressive. I totally disagreed with the way he cornered the lab and I think anyone could see the bite coming....
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I can't believe such hate here for a man who cares genuinely for pit bulls.
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09-21-2012, 03:16 PM
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There is no limit to people who love pit bulls who are doing more harm than good by not recognizing breed history, not respecting DA tendencies and generally believing the BS about ” they're just like other dogs”; ” it's all in how you raise them” etc.
If we gave a gold star to every dog park frequenting fur mommy we'd be in a lot worse shape. You can't change the history of these dogs by simply loving it out of them.
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09-21-2012, 04:25 PM
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That was awesome seeing him get bit! I can't stand him or listening to people talk as if he actually is some training god..
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09-21-2012, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ThaLadyPit
It's not so much that we've been around fights... we just know and understand dog body language (also known as posturing). If you can replay it, and slow it down just a tad, and watch the dogs and how they position themselves around each other. Especially the way they're tails are stiff, yet wagging (a wagging tail doesn't always mean happy-go-lucky), the way they flatten their ears tight against their head, body is stiff all over, licking of the lips rapidly, etc.
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Thanks, I picked up on the stiff bodies, and the star and body posture... lol but I thought a wagging tail was all good... learn something new everyday
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09-21-2012, 07:03 PM
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OMG Lisa that's so much for this!!!! I just got into it with one of Ryan's friends about this ass clown. He watches that show and all of a sudden thinks he's a dog trainer and knows something. IMO you don't need to push a dog till it breaks to correct its issue. I hate how he does that. And then he kicks the dog like that's gunna help. WRF??? Really dude your the one that forced him into that situation. I just can't stand it when people try to tell me shit about my dog like I have no clue what I'm doing. Ugh.
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09-21-2012, 07:11 PM
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Thanks for posting...have lots of family that loves CM and I have always disagreed with his "training" but never hve seen any of this kind of stuff! Now I have some proof to back me up
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09-21-2012, 07:11 PM
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lol I agree Cesar is an idiot most of the time...but on one hand I have seen much worse training...lol this prompts me to share an experience ive seen the past two times I have went to petsmart....i only go there to buy toys and bones occasionally...my man likes to quiz me on what breeds are there lol....anyway their "training" there both times has involved all the dogs and their owners going to the back aisle of the store....then the trainer grabs the dog and the owner goes all the way across the store and calls their dog, the trainer drops leash and allows the dog to run off leash across the store....i keep waiting for a fight or something....it makes me nervous and makes me want to ask the trainers what in the hell they are thinking teaching a dog to run loose in a pet store....and no not all of them run to their owner...they run all excited everywhere....its moronic..to me a dog should never be off leash in a busy store...its teaching them horrible behavior
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09-21-2012, 10:25 PM
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That first video was just sad; and the entire debacle completely unnecessary.
Poor dog.
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09-21-2012, 10:52 PM
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Growing up I loved watching animal planet and this show but even I knew he was dong things wrong at times. To be honest his methods scared me lol. I love that he loves pit bulls but like many of you said he sugar coats the truth about their DA and like this video handles situations horribly.
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09-21-2012, 11:01 PM
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Both Cesar and victoria stillwell are crazy. I often find myself yelling at the tv. But its like a car wreck, I just can't look away! Lololol
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09-21-2012, 11:50 PM
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No trainer is perfect and you will NEVER find 2 that cOmpletely agree with each other. Cesar and vicoria both inspire owners to step up their game and I think it does help. I just wish they were better at "training" dogs.
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09-22-2012, 12:33 AM
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Thanks, I picked up on the stiff bodies, and the star and body posture... lol but I thought a wagging tail was all good... learn something new everyday 
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You're very welcome. It just is something that's learned as you get to know your dog throughout time. Eventually, you get to know how to read other dogs as well. My experience comes mostly from working with other dogs at vet hospitals, boarding/grooming facilities, doggy daycares, etc. I may not spend a lot of time during the week with my dogs due to my work schedule, but I learn my dogs just as they learn me lol. Hope that makes sense to you.
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09-22-2012, 12:47 AM
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I am not a fan of Victoria or Ceasar but I agree with Dave, that they do inspire owners to step up their game, but they themselves need to be better trainers. I think both Victoria and Ceasar do good things and both have some good points but eeeesh I really can't watch their shows...lol, unless of course for entertainment. Lol
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09-22-2012, 04:28 AM
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Lol so true just like a car wreck.
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