For all you Cesar Millan fans.... - Page 3

**kg420** · 09-22-2012, 04:38 AM

Honestly though I'm so sick of the shit talking about how my dog can't "play nice with others" I always here that shit about, ceasar says be the pack leader and bla bla bla, well ya know what, I know my dog and I choose not to let him interact with others dogs mostly for HIS safety. I know which dogs he can and absolutely can not interact with, and I'm not forcing him to be in situations that make him uneasy or on edge. Oh no I must be a bad dog owner. Ugh people are just so stupid and oblivious when it comes to these dogs and da. It has nothing to do with my training it has to do with genetics. He's no broken I don't need a damn trainer to come fix him.

TheIncredibleSocks · 09-22-2012, 06:13 AM

I can't watch his show any more..hes so retarted,he thinks that everything has to do with "dominance" and he thinks that pit bulls are pack dogs,he denies that theres such a thing as natural DA and natural resource protecting,YOU CAN NOT FIX GENETICS!

**ThaLadyPit** · 09-22-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kg420

Honestly though I'm so sick of the shit talking about how my dog can't "play nice with others" I always here that shit about, ceasar says be the pack leader and bla bla bla, well ya know what, I know my dog and I choose not to let him interact with others dogs mostly for HIS safety. I know which dogs he can and absolutely can not interact with, and I'm not forcing him to be in situations that make him uneasy or on edge. Oh no I must be a bad dog owner. Ugh people are just so stupid and oblivious when it comes to these dogs and da. It has nothing to do with my training it has to do with genetics. He's no broken I don't need a damn trainer to come fix him.

You know, this is kinda off topic, but not really. A while back, I took Ices to the... wait for it.... DOG PARK here in town (which I discovered by accident while driving down the highway). There was nobody else there, so we went in and I let her play for a bit, and I had gotten some really nice photos of her. Well, a man pulled up in a van, and got out with this huge white, furry GSD/Great Pyranese looking thing, and I hurried up and got her leashed up and was getting ready to leave before he came in the gate. He says to me, "Don't you wanna let them play? Let them smell each other, at least?" I said, "I'm not trying to be rude, but no thanks." He says "Well, he's really good with other dogs, we come here all the time and he plays with other pit bulls. My wife is on her way with our boxer/pit bull mix." As he says that, another car comes pulling in. My response to him "Look, I'm a responsible owner, and I don't put my dog in situations that may cause trouble for either one of us, or anyone else involved. I'm not trying to be rude, but she's only good with one other dog, and that's her housemate. I'm not taking any chances." He says "Well, I don't want you to have to leave. I thought it might be nice for him and her to play together. I run this organization called Feed the Dogs (some program here in town that helps to feed dogs with owners who are homeless or can't afford to buy dog food)." I said "That's wonderful, and thank you for your contributions to the dog world by running such a great program, but I'm sorry, I will not allow my dog to play with your dog or anyone else's for that matter. It was nice to meet you." and I promptly left. He probably thought I was a bitch, but I don't care. I haven't taken her back there since, even though it's only like a 10 minute drive from the house. We came, we saw, we went, lol. I had scoped it out for 2 days in a row prior to taking her there, and there was nobody there, so I thought it'd be cool to take her up there to run around.

Jessie said she didn't see a problem with me having her there, and that I did right by promptly removing ourselves from the situation when other people showed up (which I already knew, but I still felt bad b/c Ices only got to play for like 15 minutes).

Anywho... people always think it's okay to let your dogs mingle with theirs when they're not heavily involved in the breed. Rob didn't understand why we had to leave, with the guy being so friendly to us, and having a dog of similar breed. The best way I could explain it was "better to be safe, than sorry." That was enough said. He's never liked APBTs, but thankfully, is willing to learn and when he doesn't understand something, he asks me about it.

I just had to share that experience, b/c I felt like it goes along with this subject and what you said about D, Krystal.

**kg420** · 09-22-2012, 03:22 PM

Awww Poor Ices didn't get to play long

Good for you Bev. I'd have done the exact same thing. We have a park here in town called "dog island" it's not a dog park it's a state river park with trails and signs saying all dogs on leash. They put a stupid frisbee golf area out there and no all the damn frisbee golfers are letting their dogs off leash to run while they play

I use the dock there for practice with D since boats are using a new dock. Well last time we went out there some D bag let his pit mix off right as I was walking D through the trail and i ended up having to pepper spray this dog before there was a blood bath. Dude was screaming and threatening to call the cops. I said do it!!!! Your in a state park with your dog off lead. That illegal buddy go ahead and call. Ugh. I felt kinda bad for spraying him but better pepper sprayed then dead right?

Brucie · 09-22-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Odin's_BlueDragon

Both Cesar and victoria stillwell are crazy. I often find myself yelling at the tv. But its like a car wreck, I just can't look away! Lololol

But I like Victoria

She changes her methods and mindset. Like when she first began her show she bought into the dominance/alpha dog theory, now she doesn't.

Plus I haven't ever seen her use a choke collar, shock collar, beating dogs etc etc. She trains the dog in a smart way.

Plus she is sexy

Cassiemae · 09-22-2012, 07:56 PM

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but just saw this posted in a response to CM video

Check out this video on YouTube:

Resource Guarding/Food Aggression - YouTube

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**Kingsgurl** · 09-22-2012, 08:33 PM

This is a much better video.

**ThaLadyPit** · 09-22-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kg420

Awww Poor Ices didn't get to play long

Good for you Bev. I'd have done the exact same thing. We have a park here in town called "dog island" it's not a dog park it's a state river park with trails and signs saying all dogs on leash. They put a stupid frisbee golf area out there and no all the damn frisbee golfers are letting their dogs off leash to run while they play

I use the dock there for practice with D since boats are using a new dock. Well last time we went out there some D bag let his pit mix off right as I was walking D through the trail and i ended up having to pepper spray this dog before there was a blood bath. Dude was screaming and threatening to call the cops. I said do it!!!! Your in a state park with your dog off lead. That illegal buddy go ahead and call. Ugh. I felt kinda bad for spraying him but better pepper sprayed then dead right?

Yeah, she was okay with it though because we went to our normal park and she got to socialize and play with strange babies! She and Roller both make me so proud that any random kid can walk up to them and start petting them and all they do is hog all the attention lol. They do occasionally give out tongue baths along with showing their bellies for a rub.

Wow! Yeah, I'd have pepper sprayed too, if I carried it. I carry a knife lol... Idiot people shouldn't be allowed to own dogs, drive, or reproduce! Lol...

**performanceknls** · 09-23-2012, 01:09 AM

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Wow, I just have to say, i was terrified of pit bulls at one time, but I have come to actually appreciate pit-bulls through watching CM. He is actually an advocate for the breed. He has educated owners and saved many bullie breeds through the years. He does everything to keep them from being euthanized. I think one of the reasons he was even airing this episode, The Worst Bite, was to show others that even a lab,recognized as gentle breed, can be aggressive. I totally disagreed with the way he cornered the lab and I think anyone could see the bite coming....

Still,

I can't believe such hate here for a man who cares genuinely for pit bulls.

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He does not show our breed in a good light he blindfolds people to the fact that pit bull type dogs are aggressive and should not be treated as a normal dog. DA is very much a part of the breed and asshats like CM are telling the public that these dogs are safe in a pack.

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OMG Lisa that's so much for this!!!! I just got into it with one of Ryan's friends about this ass clown. He watches that show and all of a sudden thinks he's a dog trainer and knows something. IMO you don't need to push a dog till it breaks to correct its issue. I hate how he does that. And then he kicks the dog like that's gunna help. WRF??? Really dude your the one that forced him into that situation. I just can't stand it when people try to tell me shit about my dog like I have no clue what I'm doing. Ugh.

I think sometimes you need to push a dog but have someone of stopping the behaviour. A simple leash would have given him a way to correct the dog quickly and avoid the standoff. The standoff occurred because he had not choice the dog would have ate him if he tried to touch it. BUt all in all I agree with you

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No trainer is perfect and you will NEVER find 2 that cOmpletely agree with each other. Cesar and vicoria both inspire owners to step up their game and I think it does help. I just wish they were better at "training" dogs.

Agreed that no 2 trainers will agree but come on..... he is giving people false hope about making pit bull dogs get along and putting dogs in a stand of like that. Not cool....

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Originally Posted by Cassiemae

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet but just saw this posted in a response to CM video

Check out this video on YouTube:

Resource Guarding/Food Aggression - YouTube

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Good video and a better alternative than punching a dog in the neck!

**Kingsgurl** · 09-23-2012, 07:13 AM

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I think sometimes you need to push a dog but have someone of stopping the behaviour. A simple leash would have given him a way to correct the dog quickly and avoid the standoff. The standoff occurred because he had not choice the dog would have ate him if he tried to touch it

He had far more choice than the dog did. He pushed that dog way over threshold and cornered it into the response he got. He ignored the dogs attempts at deflection and appeasement. The 'standoff' was ridiculous and should never have occurred. A leash would have kept the dog from getting at him, yes, but wouldn't have changed anything else that was wrong with the approach. Cornering and being confrontational with scared or aggressive dogs is a great way to get bit, though dogs, being the malleable creatures they are, will often let us get away with it.
Agree with everything else you posted. He has done more harm then good, IMO. If you were once 'scared' of the breed, but now own one because cesar said, well, that's the wrong reason, IMO. They are, generally, NOT great pack dogs, and being a great pack dog isn't what makes a dog a GOOD dog. My best dog does not get along with others. She isn't 'bad', she isn't 'broken', she simply does not tolerate stupid crap from other dogs..... and you know what? I don't MAKE her

**kg420** · 09-23-2012, 02:35 PM

I totally feel you Lisa. You have to see the bad behavior to correct it but I just think he takes thing too far sometimes. And I fully agree, a leash and common sence could have made for a much better outcome. I was laughing too when he said oh I didn't see that coming lol we all saw that coming.

Rainie · 09-23-2012, 03:52 PM

So in the past I've; 1) been terrified of bully breeds 2) been sad for the mistreatment of the breed 3) gained respect for the breed (from watching CM and other shows that are against full bans on the breed) and 4) been educated on their predisposed behaviors (on this forum and by gathering additional data on my own).

People on the forum should realize, not everyone is an expert on the breed and that explaining and providing additional information is more enlightening than calling people names and insulting their intelligence.

This forum's members, in particular, have the opportunity to educate, misinformed and/or uninformed, bully breed owners....and the general public as well. Take advantage of the opportunity people!

I have really appreciated the individuals on this thread who actually think about what they are posting. For some of you other posters, please try not to be so human aggressive!!

Renee

Brucie · 09-24-2012, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainie

So in the past I've; 1) been terrified of bully breeds 2) been sad for the mistreatment of the breed 3) gained respect for the breed (from watching CM and other shows that are against full bans on the breed) and 4) been educated on their predisposed behaviors (on this forum and by gathering additional data on my own).

People on the forum should realize, not everyone is an expert on the breed and that explaining and providing additional information is more enlightening than calling people names and insulting their intelligence.

This forum's members, in particular, have the opportunity to educate, misinformed and/or uninformed, bully breed owners....and the general public as well. Take advantage of the opportunity people!

I have really appreciated the individuals on this thread who actually think about what they are posting. For some of you other posters, please try not to be so human aggressive!!

Renee

Lol you are so dull. You have no idea how much this forum has promoted and educated about the breed. You are too ignorant to realize that this is about the training methods a highly publicized figure promotes, and those methods being DANGEROUS to use with dogs...especially the bully breed.

I hope you educate yourself on the matter of TRAINING and how a IMPROPERLY trained dog can in fact become a danger to others.

**performanceknls** · 09-24-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingsgurl

He had far more choice than the dog did. He pushed that dog way over threshold and cornered it into the response he got. He ignored the dogs attempts at deflection and appeasement. The 'standoff' was ridiculous and should never have occurred. A leash would have kept the dog from getting at him, yes, but wouldn't have changed anything else that was wrong with the approach. Cornering and being confrontational with scared or aggressive dogs is a great way to get bit, though dogs, being the malleable creatures they are, will often let us get away with it.
Agree with everything else you posted. He has done more harm then good, IMO. If you were once 'scared' of the breed, but now own one because cesar said, well, that's the wrong reason, IMO. They are, generally, NOT great pack dogs, and being a great pack dog isn't what makes a dog a GOOD dog. My best dog does not get along with others. She isn't 'bad', she isn't 'broken', she simply does not tolerate stupid crap from other dogs..... and you know what? I don't MAKE her

OF course not everyone is going to work with dogs the same but I disagree about having the dog on leash. Now take CM out of the equation we all know he's an idiot. I have dealt with food aggressive dogs many time and pushing a confrontation IMO is ok as long as you know how to stop it quickly and not put a dog on a position like CM did. My point being on leash first you won't get bit like he did and second you have control of the dog to make an effective correction and I would prefer a dog on a martingale leash or kennel lead for something like this. I also think the behaviour they got in the video above with treats is another alternative but IMO doesn't get at the root of the issues which is aggression and confrontation. It can very well happen again in a different situation where it's a bone on the couch not a food bowl. Different set up different rules in the dogs mind. They only associated the bowl with treats not other situations. Lots of ideas of how to deal with something and I think we all agree CM way is just garbage.

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Originally Posted by Rainie

So in the past I've; 1) been terrified of bully breeds 2) been sad for the mistreatment of the breed 3) gained respect for the breed (from watching CM and other shows that are against full bans on the breed) and 4) been educated on their predisposed behaviors (on this forum and by gathering additional data on my own).

People on the forum should realize, not everyone is an expert on the breed and that explaining and providing additional information is more enlightening than calling people names and insulting their intelligence.

This forum's members, in particular, have the opportunity to educate, misinformed and/or uninformed, bully breed owners....and the general public as well. Take advantage of the opportunity people!

I have really appreciated the individuals on this thread who actually think about what they are posting. For some of you other posters, please try not to be so human aggressive!!

Renee

A CM groupie! lol
no surprise about that

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Originally Posted by Brucie

Lol you are so dull. You have no idea how much this forum has promoted and educated about the breed. You are too ignorant to realize that this is about the training methods a highly publicized figure promotes, and those methods being DANGEROUS to use with dogs...especially the bully breed.

I hope you educate yourself on the matter of TRAINING and how a IMPROPERLY trained dog can in fact become a danger to others.

Of course we educate here but when we see some punch (a non pit too BTW) a dog in the head, there is something wrong with that. And someone who defends that? something wrong with them! lol

**kg420** · 09-24-2012, 09:24 PM

Great post Lisa!!! I agree about public figures with this breed as well. One of my main problems with CM is that he tries to tell people that APBTs are just dogs like any other breed and that DA is curable. IMO this is a wrong breed image. How many people bring multiple pit type dogs into their home thinking if they baby them and raise them right they will never have problems. How often does it actually work out? Not much. First sign of maturity and DA people are quick to give them away, take them to the pound, or have them PTS. If more people were truly educated about the breed and what to expect with them we wouldn't have so many dying daily in shelters, or overpopulating rescues waiting for homes.