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Old 10-24-2012, 05:11 AM   #16 (permalink)
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dog aggression is expected and okay for the American Pit Bull Terrier.. Its the only dog that can go right from wrangling bull, hogs, or laying at your feet straight into the []. Its the entire DNA make up and design of the dog. TO BE RAW CANINE.. Study wolves, then purify all the traits of the wolf that allow it to over come all obstacles even another gladiator. This is what the APBT is. Get you a book by Richard F. Stratton, to really understand what you have and why the only true American dog is so mis understood.

Alpha or no alpha.. You've adopted a dog who has been designed to be a professional boxer (fighter) boxing is fighting in a bouted ring or box, thus boxing. Put him in an environment with a couple of dogs calling him out and taunting him. Do you think he's gonna fight?

1. ... YOUR THE ALPHA and your husband and children if you have any..
2. ... feed them all at the same time in seperate bowls, and make them sit and wait for it correct ANY movements and if things get hairy.. DONT FALTER.. KEEP YOUR COOL.. The HUMAN is the MASTER. Set the bowls down on the counter out of sight and reach and COMMAND THEM to SIT .. speak all in authority.. Use the AHT (AT) harsh sound to break any thought and movement not FOCUSED on you. They will sit better if you train them to sit for praise and a ball and practice drop it so they know what you mean when they get into a serious fight. So then at feeding time, its that much more organized (easier).
3. Don't ever expect an American Pit Bull Terrier to not want to fight. YES there are pit fighting dogs that have been and are just fine around other male dogs even strange male dogs. Just like a professional boxer in a bar full of fighters. No different. Its all just under the surface, though. The best bet you have is to find a goal that gets them to work together. See your the alpha because they're spatting over the right to be praised by ya'll first and to be by ya'll first,. ALOT of high end dogs go through this and its NOT confined to the APBT. YOUR the ALPHA don't let them play fight to ruff and don't allow any agression. Your voice is the big stick... NO FEAR they can hear it feel it and smell it, and will both begin to fight each other FOR YOU. COMMAND in CALM ASSERTIVENESS..

LAST BUT NOT LEAST.. EVERYONE GETS A CRATE... 50 bucks each and they all KNOW where their "room" is. Use it when guests come over, use it when you want some peace in walking through YOUR home. Use it to let them enjoy their bones, and use it to settle any BS that gets to out of hand.

Always time for loving and playing with our pets even in between commands REMEMBER when your commanding your dogs keep the: Puny dog demeanor, because your the alpha
Bingo. You should of done research on feeding a Bulldog, properly bred or not as this is the most basic of foundation knowledge to understand the genetics behind the "behavior" and proper containment for safety in multiple dog home
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:23 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Please give it a try. I understand it may seem overwhelming at first but like everyone said put in some effort and it will work. You made a life time commitment to your dogs. Treat them that way and figure out what works. Like some said they are ok when supervised. Others can never be together. Get a trainer who can teach you their body language so you can recognize when they might be having a bad day. Or anxious and need some space. Once you are able to recognize the triggers and their responses it will not seem as overwhelming.
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Ok...for some reason people are thinking that I'm just going to get rid of him before finding a solution. ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I said ONLY as an absolute last resort if nothing else works. Also for the crate and rotate...he cannot be out of his crate unsupervised as he will chew on our wooden furniture and blinds when unsupervised. He is not aggressive 24/7, just has been having spurts of it throughout the day. Last night him and our other dog were laying by each other and played for about 45 minutes inside the house which hasn't happened since last Saturday. They always play outside though which is why I'm thinking it isn't DA. I'm taking him to the vet to see if there's something wrong because he just isn't himself. He goes into his crate and stays there, barely wanting to come out for food and he LOVES to eat. We don't put him in his crate...he goes in there on his own with the door open and just stays there which is so unlike him.
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re read all my posts.. I answered all your questions and and could be problems.. Get another crate forget about C & R.. CRATE THEM BOTH and give them the freedom you decide they can have; its your home not the dogs.
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Ok...for some reason people are thinking that I'm just going to get rid of him before finding a solution. ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I said ONLY as an absolute last resort if nothing else works. Also for the crate and rotate...he cannot be out of his crate unsupervised as he will chew on our wooden furniture and blinds when unsupervised. He is not aggressive 24/7, just has been having spurts of it throughout the day. Last night him and our other dog were laying by each other and played for about 45 minutes inside the house which hasn't happened since last Saturday. They always play outside though which is why I'm thinking it isn't DA. I'm taking him to the vet to see if there's something wrong because he just isn't himself. He goes into his crate and stays there, barely wanting to come out for food and he LOVES to eat. We don't put him in his crate...he goes in there on his own with the door open and just stays there which is so unlike him.
I'm not sure if anyone said to leave him out of his crate unsupervised, both dogs should be crated while you are away. And then each dog let out seperatly while you are home and are able to watch them. We rotate all four of our pit bulls, and NEVER leave our pit bulls alone together. When we are not home, each one has their own room they are left in. If we had a smaller house, each one would then have a crate we would leave them in. Two of our females can not even see each other (through a fence or whatever) without a fight breaking out. So, I might even suggest a blanket over the side of the crate they can see each other through.
And its a GOOD thing that your dog feels comfortable in his crate! Dogs are den animals anyway and should feel like their crate is their home.
I'm not sure we are thinking you are going to get rid of your dog without trying, but maybe just sad that if the only solution turns out to be crate and rotate you mght get rid of him. True, it's harder to have dogs that need to be crated and rotated, and isn't as easy and having dogs that just 'get along'. But I believe most people that love their dogs and dont' want to uproot their home (because your dogs will still be happy if you have to crate and rotate), can find ways to make it work. I think there are FEW situations where crate and rotate can not be an option for some people.
Because you took this dog into your home, IMO you do have an obligation to try EVERYTHING to make this work. As others have said, rehoming, could most likely end your dog up in the shelter, where if he is DA will be euthanized..
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:09 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Ok...for some reason people are thinking that I'm just going to get rid of him before finding a solution. ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. I said ONLY as an absolute last resort if nothing else works. Also for the crate and rotate...he cannot be out of his crate unsupervised as he will chew on our wooden furniture and blinds when unsupervised. He is not aggressive 24/7, just has been having spurts of it throughout the day. Last night him and our other dog were laying by each other and played for about 45 minutes inside the house which hasn't happened since last Saturday. They always play outside though which is why I'm thinking it isn't DA. I'm taking him to the vet to see if there's something wrong because he just isn't himself. He goes into his crate and stays there, barely wanting to come out for food and he LOVES to eat. We don't put him in his crate...he goes in there on his own with the door open and just stays there which is so unlike him.
If you haven't started working with a trainer why are your dogs other at all! It's another accident waiting to happen. Put one pup in the crate for an hour and play with the dog outside the crate. And the rotate, swap dogs and so this while you are home. When you are not home both should be crated. Don't just crate one and not the other. Just rotate until you can hire an experienced trainer who can help you recognize the signs.

And if your pup is acting different he could be becoming a teenager and they usually suck. Or he could be sick. Take him in for tests and see if anything is wrong medically an if not hire a trainer. Stop letting them hang out until you do.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:11 AM   #22 (permalink)
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This is NORMAL behavior for an APBT or mix. Had you really done your research you'd know to expect this kind of behavior as the dog matures. That's exactly what I was just talking about in another thread. This just makes me so sad. People keep clinging to this "it's all in how you raise them" mentality and denying their genetics. You can raise them with other dogs, love them and treat them like babies but that will in no way stop dog aggression from coming out as the dog matures. This is one of the biggests problems the breed is faced with. People get them and deny their history and genetics and then freak out when they mature and act like bulldogs. If you can't handle a dog with DA then this breed is not for you plain and simple. It's not fair to these dogs that they're given up on rehomed, taken to pounds and shelters or PTS for showing normal breed traits.
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Everything everyone has said is true I can tell you that if there having small fights now there not gonna stop and will probably get A LOT Nastier sounds to me like he's challenging the other Alpha and believe me he's not gonna back down.The crate and rotate will make your life and there's a lot safer.Someone suggested putting one outside I personally would NEVER have an outside dog don't want to offend anyone who has an outside dog it's just not something I'd suggest.When you take him to the vet I hope he gets a clean bill of health and you ask your vet for suggestion on a good trainer in your area and learn how to become the ALPHA of both your dogs use the C&R method.I think you'll find a system that works for you and your dogs that your comfortable withI would start right away and do your best to prevent anymore tiffsI I know you got upset with some of the re-homing comments and I hope you mean it when you say that getting rid of him is the LAST resort cause honestly when I read your comment about having a small house and not wanting your dogs to live there lives that way, about trying the C&R it seamed to me you already expect on finding him a new home.Sorry but I personally believe that as soon as you make the choice to get a dog it's a lifelong commitment and it's your responsibility to try whatever it takes even if you don't believe you'll like it to keep your dogs happy healthy and safe.What shelter did you adopt him from?I find it hard to believe they didn't make you aware of the DA issues that are pretty much common knowledge with this breed the shelters are usually really good about educating and preparing people who are interested in adopting APBT at least all the ones I've been to.Please don't get upset with me for saying this I'm not trying to down you but you really should have researched the breed in depth before making the decision to get one to many people don't and that's a BIG reason why there's so many in the shelters and part of the reason they have such a bad reputation.Zeus is my first APBT and I got him unexpectedly wasn't looking for a dog at the time but he was in need of a home and I couldn't leave him in the situation he was in.I didn't get the chance to research the breed before I got him so I hope you don't think I'm judging you I've had him 4yrs now and I'm still learning and believe me working on behavior issues that I could have handled a lot better.Just want you to know I loved all my dogs I've had in the past but Zeus and I have a bond and are closer then any of them.I really hope you keep a open mind and try everything til you find something that works for you and BOTH your dogs believe me he's well worth it.Please don't think I'm trying to bash you hope we can be friends and help each other out
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Crate and rotate on limited space is doable. Do you have a fenced yard, dog run, tether, etc? You don't necessarily have to have one dog crated and the other loose. You can utilize your yard as an area of separation. What I did was build a small yard for my young dog to be outside during decent days while my old dog hangs out in the house. Periodically, I shut old girl in a bedroom (with a backup baby gate outside the door) and bring the youngster inside for a few hours of quality time, then she sleeps inside at night. It's trickier when it's rainy or cold, but my dogs have lived a crate-and-rotate lifestyle for 4 years now, and they are used to it.

There is a period of adjustment, but its ultimately the safest thing. Starting it now when the dogs are not over-the-top aggro with each other is actually easier. At least they aren't attacking through crates like one of mine likes to do. That's not to say that your dogs can't enjoy the activities that they do enjoy together, like maybe walks or play outside (like you said they do). Hopefully your vet can rule out any treatable health issues causing this, but I think it's best to mentally prepare for what you may need to do as well.
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