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Old 11-15-2012, 01:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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High prey drive for watch dog

Is it ok to raise a pit pup with high prey drive to be a guard dog?
Will he be too friendly/playfull.
He would be guarding an enclosed property which is well concealed with other dogs.
First time experience with pitbulls, worked with rotties and shepards.
I know human aggression is very minimal in pits but he will be trained.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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For the most part these dogs are not for guarding. They love humans so teaching them to guard a property or valuables from what they love can be confusing. I would stick with a guarding breed like you mentioned.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:02 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Prey drive just means they want to chase animals like squirrels and stuff. Like Ames said this breed is too fond of humans to make a decent gaurd dog.


Point blank, get a different breed if u want a gaurd dog.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
 

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Is it really that hard to get a pitbull to protect family and property?
I believe any dog can be trained to be a guard dog.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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If you're wanting to train or "raise" a dog to be a guard dog, you're looking in the wrong place. It's not something you train, you get a breed with natural guarding instinct.


Personal Protection training is something totally different from guarding and should not be taken lightly .
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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In short, the APBT was not bred to be a guard dog, hence why they're not listed in the Guardian Class. These dogs were selectively bred for other strengths, which include their love of humans. Why would you want to counteract that?

Dogs that fall under the Guardian Class that closely resemble, and are often confused with ABPTs are Fila Brasilerios (sp?), Dogue de Bordeaux, Neo Mastiffs, Presa Canarios and other Mastiff type breeds.

Also, you said the dog will be guarding an enclosed property with other dogs? Have you taken into consideration that APBTs don't usually fare well with other dogs, no matter the breed of the other dogs? DA runs rampant through this breed due to the major part of their history, and if left unsupervised, you may come to your property and find all the other dogs, and possibly the APBT, dead and bloody.

I'm just curious why you feel you need to train something into a dog that they're not bred for? Why would you want a people-friendly dog to be aggressive toward humans? If you already have experience with other Guardian breeds, why not stick with what you know, and keep the APBT as your companion? That, imo, would be like trying to train a poodle to fight instead of hunt fowl, or a retriever to be a catch dog, or a hound to herd.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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In short, the APBT was not bred to be a guard dog, hence why they're not listed in the Guardian Class. These dogs were selectively bred for other strengths, which include their love of humans. Why would you want to counteract that?

Dogs that fall under the Guardian Class that closely resemble, and are often confused with ABPTs are Fila Brasilerios (sp?), Dogue de Bordeaux, Neo Mastiffs, Presa Canarios and other Mastiff type breeds.

Also, you said the dog will be guarding an enclosed property with other dogs? Have you taken into consideration that APBTs don't usually fare well with other dogs, no matter the breed of the other dogs? DA runs rampant through this breed due to the major part of their history, and if left unsupervised, you may come to your property and find all the other dogs, and possibly the APBT, dead and bloody.

I'm just curious why you feel you need to train something into a dog that they're not bred for? Why would you want a people-friendly dog to be aggressive toward humans? If you already have experience with other Guardian breeds, why not stick with what you know, and keep the APBT as your companion? That, imo, would be like trying to train a poodle to fight instead of hunt fowl, or a retriever to be a catch dog, or a hound to herd.
! also American Bulldogs can fit the "look" but im pretty sure they still have dog aggression issues sometimes too!
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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! also American Bulldogs can fit the "look" but im pretty sure they still have dog aggression issues sometimes too!
Yes, Lauren, you're right.

Per American Bulldog Information and Pictures they do have some DA, but were originally used on farms as guardians and hunters. I'm not really sure how accurate the information on the site linked is, but this was the first thing I found. I don't know much about the breed, as I don't have much personal experience with them.

Also found this page, which seems to have more accurate and up to date information... http://www.american-bulldog.com/
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:25 AM   #9 (permalink)
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how do i train her better
i removed ur video from here.

dont thread jack, start ur own thread. u can do so by goin into a forum section and pushing the "new thread" button at the top of the list of threads.
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My experience is that bulldog aka APBT bred right is programmable .45 on command. The fact that most lack HA even promotes the perfect right hand.
the border patrol and dep that has used APBTs swears there's not a better dog.

As s bulldog breed enthusiast for 15-17 yrs now I can say sleeve work is just fun game to them. Stick work gets more hard hitting from the dog. The most successful guard dog apbts are bred and or raised by professionals.


Go with dogos or tosas, or Spanish bulldogs... Or a sentry dog from chimera...

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Old 11-15-2012, 11:05 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I, for one, believe the APBT can be a SERVICEABLE guard dog, and I know it has been done. Are there more suitable breeds, sure. But to say an APBT can not guard because it wasn't bred for that specific purpose is just a presumption. Obviously the APBT excells in activities that it wasn't bred for today.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not saying it can't be done, but if he's new to the breed, and not a professional, I'm simply saying I don't recommend it. If he's got a professional trainer that can do it without breaking the dog's true spirit, then by all means, go ahead. However, if he's going to attempt this feat on his own accord, then I don't feel he's making a very wise choice.
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The Bulldog can be a superior guard dog or protection dog, after all the APBT has been used as a foundation for some superior Protection Dogs for YEARS. The problem that is if we are talking about a traditionally bred Bulldog with the ability of such, you probably ain't going to get your hands on one without knowing a few people. Just like traditional stock APBTs or Bull Baiters, it is who you know that gets you access NOT just picking up a random dog and hoping for the best.

Since your even asking this question shows you are green, you need to get your knowledge under the belt and get some hands on experience through guided hands before even attempting such feat regardless of breed. Majority can't handle the type of dog in discussion and many think they can but proof in the puddin'
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