Pick of the Litter?

brisentri · 11-19-2012, 04:46 AM

So I jus had a litter of 10. (7 boys3girls) 2 pups kame out white wit gray markings an the rest is au gray wit white they r Sierra Am Staffordshire they jus made 7 weeks old an range about 12lbs the runt weighs 9 1/2 lbs I need to pick a boy an girl to keep but having a very hard tym..... any suggestions on how to pick out a pup? Please help...... wish I cud keep dem au....

**ThaLadyPit** · 11-19-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brisentri

So I jus had a litter of 10. (7 boys3girls) 2 pups kame out white wit gray markings an the rest is au gray wit white they r Sierra Am Staffordshire they jus made 7 weeks old an range about 12lbs the runt weighs 9 1/2 lbs I need to pick a boy an girl to keep but having a very hard tym..... any suggestions on how to pick out a pup? Please help...... wish I cud keep dem au....

Not to sound rude, but for starters, starting your own thread would get more responses than piggy-backing off an old thread that half the members who posted in it are no longer here for whatever reason.

Also, if you don't know how to pick what you want to keep out of a litter, perhaps you had no business breeding in the first place. Are the rest of the pups spoken for? We don't allow the sale of pups/dogs here, unless you're an authorized breeder (not saying that's why you're posting, just informing you), and there's only a select few of those here.

I'll move this post for you so that you have your own thread, and perhaps you'll get better responses. I would also suggest that if you have a mentor who is helping you to learn about breeding, bloodlines, etc., that you go to them for advice on how to select your pick pups. Most of the members here are just pet owners and not breeders, so while you'll get advice on how to select your picks, you may not get solid advice, and you may get

or

for posting in the first place. We aim at promoting responsibility here, not promoting breeding.

**American_Pit13** · 11-19-2012, 02:30 PM

If you can't pick puppies you shouldn't be creating them.

hotchkiss (Got the BAN STICK) · 11-19-2012, 03:51 PM

Never met an honest breeder that could predict the size nor temperament of a dog by looking at a 2 or 3 month old pup... nor a colt, nor calf, nor lamb. You can get a decent idea about a pup's potential by looking at the bitch and sire, but other then a general notion, it's anyone's guess.

No experienced breeder is going to make guarantees. When someone says, "you can have 'pick of the litter,'" they aren't talking about a specific pup. They're saying that of the entire litter, you can have your pick. "The pick of the litter," is simply the first pup chosen.

Fat bully pups can end up being weak and timid. The runt of the litter can end up being the most game and the most physically robust.

Picking a pup based on color is as good a reason as any other. Just like fortune telling, it's all guess-work, luck of the draw (or pick as the case may be).

**American_Pit13** · 11-19-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchkiss

Never met an honest breeder that could predict the size nor temperament of a dog by looking at a 2 or 3 month old pup... nor a colt, nor calf, nor lamb. You can get a decent idea about a pup's potential by looking at the bitch and sire, but other then a general notion, it's anyone's guess.

No experienced breeder is going to make guarantees. When someone says, "you can have 'pick of the litter,'" they aren't talking about a specific pup. They're saying that of the entire litter, you can have your pick. "The pick of the litter," is simply the first pup chosen.

Fat bully pups can end up being weak and timid. The runt of the litter can end up being the most game and the most physically robust.

Picking a pup based on color is as good a reason as any other. Just like fortune telling, it's all guess-work, luck of the draw (or pick as the case may be).

Actually you can tell a lot about the temperament, drive and structure of a puppy. You may not be able to but yes it is and can be done. same goes for calves, colts and lambs. Hell even Joeys can be evaluated young! That's part of breeding an selecting proper homes to fit each pup.

Pick of the litter is usually the best pup out of the litter. You may have another meaning for what it means to you, but a pick of litter is the breeders opinion of which is best.

Being game lmao.. Do you even know what you are talking about?

Color just as good a reason as any other? I really hope you don't breed.

It is guess work as you never can tell 100% but they are educated and well though out "guesses" from people who actually know what they are breeding for and looking for.

If you can't make your own pick of which pups are coming along best YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BREEDING.

This is not a game, lives are being created and you should know what the hell you are doing before you create lives.

Celly_Cells_Kenya · 11-19-2012, 05:22 PM

threads like this got me suspended last time around ... -_- so i will be as "understanding" as possible here...

simply put, IF YOU CANT DETERMINE YOUR PICK OF THE LITTER, THEN YOU HAVE NO REASON BREEDING! ugh

i hate to yell, and be rude, but come on here, thats like someone building a car but doesnt know where the engine goes! *shakes head* to the OP, set these dogs up with stable homes please. People who will take the time to learn about the breed and research on how to keep them as a good "PETBULL". also i please encourage you to spay or neuter your "breeding" dogs, and encourage the new owners to do the same at the appropriate age...

If you ever want to sit down and chat about these dogs I am more then willing to throw some info your way. let me know.

and
I hate to be rude, but best of luck to those pups.... and i hope you take the time out to read up on these pooches....

hotchkiss (Got the BAN STICK) · 11-19-2012, 05:26 PM

So you're saying that even if a pup is the runt of the litter, you can tell that he'll end up being the tallest and heaviest of all his mates by the time he's 3 years old simply by looking at him when he's 90 days old?

I'd love to hear your secret formula.

paw size divided by girth of tail at the base times longest scrotum hair length plus the square root of the difference between ear flop?

Your odds wouldn't be any better than some kid that selected "Spot" because, "he has a patch over his eye like a pirate!"

Genetics being equal in a litter, conditioning, environment and diet determine 99% of a dog's physical and mental development. Remove disease from the equation and the percentile is probably closer to 99.9.

Princesspaola21 · 11-19-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchkiss

Never met an honest breeder that could predict the size nor temperament of a dog by looking at a 2 or 3 month old pup... nor a colt, nor calf, nor lamb. You can get a decent idea about a pup's potential by looking at the bitch and sire, but other then a general notion, it's anyone's guess.

No experienced breeder is going to make guarantees. When someone says, "you can have 'pick of the litter,'" they aren't talking about a specific pup. They're saying that of the entire litter, you can have your pick. "The pick of the litter," is simply the first pup chosen.

Fat bully pups can end up being weak and timid. The runt of the litter can end up being the most game and the most physically robust.

Picking a pup based on color is as good a reason as any other. Just like fortune telling, it's all guess-work, luck of the draw (or pick as the case may be).

I don't know enough to really comment about dogs but my aunt would laugh in your face if you told her she couldn't pretty closely predict size and temperament by a 2/3 month old colt. She most certainly can gauge pretty close on size and very closely with temperament as well as what color they will turn out. She had a bay colt and told me he would turn gray so she registered him as gray. I told him she was full of it. 3 years later he started changing and by the time he was 4 he was full blown gray. She knows her stuff. She can also spend a month or 2 around a colt and tell you whether they would be best suited as a roper, pleasure, trail, barrel etc just by how they act in the pasture with other colts.

**American_Pit13** · 11-19-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchkiss

So you're saying that even if a pup is the runt of the litter, you can tell that he'll end up being the tallest and heaviest of all his mates by the time he's 3 years old simply by looking at him when he's 90 days old?

I'd love to hear your secret formula.

paw size divided by girth of tail at the base times longest scrotum hair length plus the square root of the difference between ear flop?

Your odds wouldn't be any better than some kid that selected "Spot" because, "he has a patch over his eye like a pirate!"

This is one of the stupidest come back posts I have ever witnessed.....Do you have any actual knowledge of evaluating puppies?

When did I say I could tell if it was tallest or heaviest? Who the hell cares if it's the tallest or heaviest. TEMPERAMENT, STRUCTURE ( which doesn't mean height and weight....) DRIVE, BRAINS these things you can tell and are the among the things breeders look at when evaluating puppies.

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Originally Posted by hotchkiss

Genetics being equal in a litter, conditioning, environment and diet determine 99% of a dog's physical and mental development. Remove disease from the equation and the percentile is probably closer to 99.9.

LMAO Umm no conditioning, environment and diet do not make up 99% of anything

You know what I am not even going into genetics with you because you can't even comprehend evaluating puppies...

hotchkiss (Got the BAN STICK) · 11-19-2012, 08:19 PM

I'd have stopped responding and let you continue saying whatever you like if you'd have argued that you could guess within 3 inches and five pounds of a dogs size... but to say you know which dogs are game -- don't care if you use the word "drive" and are "referring to prey drive" (which is just a city slicker's way of saying 'my dog likes to chase shit', what you're colloquializing is the word game -- is absolutely ludicrous.

Some dogs don't even develop any heart until they're two years old, but you can somehow sense it, but watching a pup chase tit? "Well, Ralphy's never going to have any drive 'cause he's always sucking hind tit. Franky on the other hand, he's going to have the heart of a lion! Just look at his ferocity in the chow line!"

And you can tell whether a pup is going to end up cunning or clever or pensive or patient by watching the actions of a 3 month old pup? Come on now, how do you do that? "Benji is going to end up being a genius dog! He's already doing fractions! He'll roll in 1/3 of Humbug's poop and mix it with an ounce of Lucy's pee and wala! He has the perfect puppy fur gel! He's so debonair!"

Come on now, every puppy on earth is dumb; their like toddlers. They do things like fall on their heads and walk onto glass doors and eat electric chords at Christmas. What you're saying is that you can gauge the potential intelligence of a puppy by rating degrees of dumbness.

However, I'd believe that before I'd believe you knew what kind of heart a pit's going to have by watching him play with squeeky toys at 3 months old.

EckoMac · 11-19-2012, 09:03 PM

Game and drive have 2 different meanings. js

**American_Pit13** · 11-19-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hotchkiss

I'd have stopped responding and let you continue saying whatever you like if you'd have argued that you could guess within 3 inches and five pounds of a dogs size... but to say you know which dogs are game -- don't care if you use the word "drive" and are "referring to prey drive" (which is just a city slicker's way of saying 'my dog likes to chase shit', what you're colloquializing is the word game -- is absolutely ludicrous.

Some dogs don't even develop any heart until they're two years old, but you can somehow sense it, but watching a pup chase tit? "Well, Ralphy's never going to have any drive 'cause he's always sucking hind tit. Franky on the other hand, he's going to have the heart of a lion! Just look at his ferocity in the chow line!"

And you can tell whether a pup is going to end up cunning or clever or pensive or patient by watching the actions of a 3 month old pup? Come on now, how do you do that? "Benji is going to end up being a genius dog! He's already doing fractions! He'll roll in 1/3 of Humbug's poop and mix it with an ounce of Lucy's pee and wala! He has the perfect puppy fur gel! He's so debonair!"

Come on now, every puppy on earth is dumb; their like toddlers. They do things like fall on their heads and walk onto glass doors and eat electric chords at Christmas. What you're saying is that you can gauge the potential intelligence of a puppy by rating degrees of dumbness.

However, I'd believe that before I'd believe you knew what kind of heart a pit's going to have by watching him play with squeeky toys at 3 months old.

Game and drive are completely different things genius. You have not a single clue what you are talking about lmao

Every puppy on earth is dumb? LMAO No sweety your dumb, the puppies are rather smart and willing to learn.

Rather than stories based of what you want to believe I am saying why don't you educate yourself and then have a base upon which to speak.

**Odin`s_BlueDragon** · 11-19-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EckoMac

Game and drive have 2 different meanings. js

THIS!

My Odin will chase the holy living hell outta cats n critters... but if u put were to put him in a real [] and let him scratch.... hes prolly gunna cur out. game and drive are quite different my dear sir and i suggest u crack a book, something by Stratton maybe, and get ta learnin.

hotchkiss (Got the BAN STICK) · 11-19-2012, 11:24 PM

my dogs chase shit vs my dogs have heart? Completely different, but I thought we were talking about pits, not weimaraners.

Back to the argument, you can pick a dog with heart at 3 months? Come, come, I can teach a dog to chase a fake rabbit at 6 months, can't teach a pit heart.

More importantly, you can't see it. Please tell me you can.

**angelbaby** · 11-19-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by American_Pit13

Actually you can tell a lot about the temperament, drive and structure of a puppy. You may not be able to but yes it is and can be done. same goes for calves, colts and lambs. Hell even Joeys can be evaluated young! That's part of breeding an selecting proper homes to fit each pup.

Pick of the litter is usually the best pup out of the litter. You may have another meaning for what it means to you, but a pick of litter is the breeders opinion of which is best.

Being game lmao.. Do you even know what you are talking about?

Color just as good a reason as any other? I really hope you don't breed.

It is guess work as you never can tell 100% but they are educated and well though out "guesses" from people who actually know what they are breeding for and looking for.

If you can't make your own pick of which pups are coming along best YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BREEDING.

This is not a game, lives are being created and you should know what the hell you are doing before you create lives.

I agree with holly's posts in here.