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Old 11-24-2012, 08:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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I believe working ability and structure are two that should go hand in hand when trying to breed the ultimate dog. As you can have a dog with all the game in the world, and it could be inside a cruddy body that just can't. But put that spirit in a near perfectly proportioned body and you'd bet that's one handy dog.


Just because I'd like to see a nicely structured APBT after seeing some painful physiques <3
I agree one hundred percent. have often said theoretically if you could have two dog equally match in weight mouth and gameness. One with conformational flaws and one with a good structure. the one that had fewer flaws would most likely win.

Funny that you would use a sorrels dog he even before sat on the ADBA committee to write the conformation guide lines always had ideals of what the perfect box dogs physical attributes should be.
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How does one measure the "heart" of a bulldog...that is where the passion lies and quite frankly puts confirmation in its place.
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Every one loves an under dog! And it makes for great stories but in the real world more often then not the superior physical being is the fittest in the game of survival...
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I would agree that game breeds used to hunt hogs and bear display a tremendous amount of heart. There is really nothing closer to pitting two dogs against one another than hunting big game with them.

The only argument that I'd make is that while the best hunting dogs are bulldogs, from what I understand they are almost completely non-dog aggressive and bred to be so with good reason: you want the dog to get ahold of the hog, not one of the hounds that cornered it.

So, that kind of begs the question, are these bulldogs pit bulls in the traditional sense of the word?
Would just like to add that 'game' does not mean the same as DA. I've seen videos of champion pit dogs that were perfectly fine with other dogs outside of the pit.




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Would just like to add that 'game' does not mean the same as DA. I've seen videos of champion pit dogs that were perfectly fine with other dogs outside of the pit.




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the best and truest to the word "Game" were just that too! Great point!
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My dogs are Boudreaux. Guess I didn't know what kind of people I was speaking to. Didn't know it was necessary to clarify thatm "there is a difference between game and DA." Christ. Really? Yea, one's a sporting term, the other is a yuppi colloquialism meaning... Jesus, this really needs to be explained?

Still not sure why the guy that claims his pit bull brought down a moose -- for God's sake -- is still taken seriously. There are fish stories and then there are MOOSE stories. Your dog took down an animal 100 times it's size? A house cat has a better chance of bringing down a St. Bernard. What a load of shit!

Know the definition of a pathological liar? Someone that doesn't have the ability understand how ridiculous their lies are. It's like someone that says, I caught a whale with a 5 pound test line. It's someone that says, "I can fly." It's like someone that says, "my dog brought down a moose."

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You underestimating the will and power of a bulldog says loads about your character. APBT's were derived from Bull baiting dogs before taken into the pit. These little dogs were bred to be the ultimate working, sporting, and companion dog. I've seen a 45 lb. "game bred" female take down a 2000 lb. bull not kill it just subdue it to keep the handler safe. These dogs in there true form are not be underestimated.
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Well you said the only argument that you'd make is that the bulldogs used to hunt are bred to be non dog aggressive. If you had read the part of your post that I had quoted, you'd see that. So I just pointed out that they don't have to be DA to be game.
You don't have to get all defensive. No one here is attacking you.
I do have to agree with MSK though, you're seriously underestimating the determination and will of these dogs.


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I'm trying to look for the thread but it had a pattendale terrier (much smaller that the average APBT) that took down a mountain lion.

There is also an animal planet special about a Dogo that took out a puma. How you will question a dog taking out a slow ass moose is ignorant.
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[QUOTE=hotchkiss;548703]My dogs are Bordeaux. Guess I didn't know what kind of people I was speaking to. Didn't know it was necessary to clarify that.

I asked the question because you stated that pedigree breeding is some how not being bred true to form. So I had to know what dogs you are dealing with. If they are of only Bordeaux blood then some one in witch you got the dog from was breeding pedigree. You also state you know what your dogs are capable of. So then I asked the question how? How do you know what they are capable of, seems to me like you might know this because of were they came from? Then if that is the case my point is made pedigree breeding is out their for a reason not matter what you breed for you will find constancy and know better what to expect if you know the family in which your dog comes. Does that make sense? I was not trying to call you and your dogs out just trying to understand where you are coming from. Seems to me like you only have experience with the kennels you find online and lil with doggers of both old days and people trying to move forward with our breed. This is just what I take from your posts I may be wrong, if so please enlighten me
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My dogs are Boudreaux. Guess I didn't know what kind of people I was speaking to. Didn't know it was necessary to clarify thatm "there is a difference between game and DA." Christ. Really? Yea, one's a sporting term, the other is a yuppi colloquialism meaning... Jesus, this really needs to be explained?

Still not sure why the guy that claims his pit bull brought down a moose -- for God's sake -- is still taken seriously. There are fish stories and then there are MOOSE stories. Your dog took down an animal 100 times it's size? A house cat has a better chance of bringing down a St. Bernard. What a load of shit!

Know the definition of a pathological liar? Someone that doesn't have the ability understand how ridiculous their lies are. It's like someone that says, I caught a whale with a 5 pound test line. It's someone that says, "I can fly." It's like someone that says, "my dog brought down a moose."
WOW! someone doesn't like to be asked what she is fed? NO one talked to you this way, we just highlighted the fact avoided the question.. People who always want proof and lack the ability to show proof are well.. The kind of folks that build drama.. OH wow look ^^^^^ drama..

You ask alot of questions and are full of a lot of hot air for someone who can't through a ped of her dogs up. Boudreaux is good blood. The bulldog I started treeing bear with is half halls.. show what you feed before your so interested in everyone else. Why am I taken seriously? I dunno because I gotta be crazy LOL because I wen't out and did it. I had a neighbor tell me about the incident with duchesse and if you can't believe that then you don't know bulldogs. My first bulldog rescued my landlord from his own brhama/limousine bull.. he also bagged a couple of pigs and countless coyotes, got me wanting to hunt predators.. WELL UP HERE we get full grown Bull moose, the same size as a bull only built different, in your yard when you live in town let alone out in country or up in the mountains like the 10 acres where I lived. I let my dogs out to run off the moose.. I have kids and don't need a bull moose or test cow trying to own our lil patch of woods.
The Karelian can chase moose off they will flat run from her and shes 37lbs.. after they've been introduced and she gets a bite or two in and barks insainly in their face. I got her just for the moose really because they are natural hunters you don't teach em shit. I wasn't planning on duchesse gettin into a moose and thought that she got hit by a car at first but she had giant hoove burn like road rash and a sprained leg... two days later .. the neighbor stopped me and told me about the ruckus on his land.. His story her injuries made sense because the cur dog come home hours before Duchesse and had similar road rash type hoove burns.. Take from it what you will and leave the rest.. I don't live in a city I don't really like cities,they're okay, I prefer the beautiful great natural world.. I live in Idaho so I can constitutionally live as free as possible..

from my 37lb dog turk.. one coyote is 55lbs the other about 37lbs, two in 1

we've had incidents of coyotes attacking fullgrown labradors in a pack with the owner right there and everything.. IN the middle of SPOKANE just over the state line, and here local have their heelers and rottweillers, etc killed by a moose that came in there yard.. LOL same kinda of people don't know what the use is in having one of my kinda bulldogs..

Somewhere on this site I've posted the cell phone pic I had I believe when I had a bull moose on our lease the last time.. I need to name my files however I can assure you what my dogs do are what any ones dogs in the wild of north idaho have died from, protecting their home. Ironcially I now see those guys back in the woods deeper than me off the grid style also with bulldogs now All they had to do was see what mine could do and that I only use one or two dogs. Now they share with me MOOSE stories of their own and gloat.. sure am glad I gotta bulldog
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This thread kinda went downhill quickly.....
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