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Old 11-26-2012, 10:30 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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Dday, I've done about everything you're talking about -- even the ones that are obviously a bad idea -- and I think you'll agree, most don't work. I could spray my dogs all day with a water hose and nothing would happen. Light the end of a newspaper and wave it at them, don't have a single one that's going to break his hold. Twisting ears and cranking on tails doesn't work and they're both hard on the dog. Punching and kicking them can break bones...

Appreciate you being honest enough to say you've never tried it and that even though you doubt it will work, that it might be something to consider.

I trust the alcohol method because it has worked for me. More importantly, it works for my wife. She's been around pits her entire life. She's the one that told me about it.

I could probably badger her into learning how to use a break stick, but...

I'm not going to explain to my wife that she needs to wait for a break in the action, then with cat reflexes squat over the dog's hackle bones, pinch it at the hips with her knees, get a handful of skin behind the neck with her weak hand, start sliding her strong hand (with the breaker in it) up from the dog's shoulders, then along side its neck, then up to its cheek bone, then slide it into the dogs mouth, start working it back and forth like a motorcycle throttle -- but careful not to break any teeth -- until the dog lets go or the other dog breaks free.

I'm not going to explain to her how you can't just start stabbing at the dog's mouth without holding the dog at the hips and the neck. I'm not going to try and describe the right moment to jump in.

I'm not going to explain that she needs to be watching the back of the other dog's neck at all times as she's doing all this or she could get bit. I'm not going to explain to her that once she breaks the dog's hold, to drop the stick, pick her dog up around the chest while continuing to hold the back of it's neck, raise it, turning her back on the other dog to prevent the fight from breaking out again, all the while knowing as I'm giving the explanation that there's always a chance the other dog might bite her in the legs or the back when she does it --

I'm not going to explain all that and HOPE she understands it all and HOPE that everything turns out text-book perfect and HOPE she doesn't break any of the dog's teeth and HOPE and HOPE and HOPE when I can simply say,

"yea, do that rubbing alcohol thing you like. It's much easier."

Dday, in reality my wife knows everything I described above and she carries a break stick because she was raised her around pits, but I'm trying to make a point.

I think it's a terrible idea to tell some young man or woman that break stick is the first resort and not the last.

The danger is just too high. It's just like you said, breaking a dog off isn't a concern. It's the dog that doesn't have a hold that makes my heart race... even when someone else has a hold of it.

Suggesting a green kid use a breaker to split up a fight -- alone with no one else there to hold on the other dog -- is just asking too much. Better to just let the fight play out if you're inexperienced, or use alcohol!
Hmmm! Well OK.
Like I said, a break stick is a tool, and is the best tool in the right situation.
Ex; Two "REAL" bull dogs in an accidental fight. This is where it works, and is the best tool for the job. If you are alone, tie one of the dogs off to something, then break loose the other one.
It is not as complicated as you make it sound.
And like I mentioned about the alcohol, if it works to break up a fight, then I see nothing wrong with it. But I have serious reservations that it would work with real bull dogs. And when I mentioned all those ludicrous ways the uneducated use to try to break up a fight, I hope that doesn't apply to anyone on this site!
In regards to training methods, like some other posters mentioned, there are most likely better ways to teach your dog not to pull, or teaching other commands than spraying alcohol to the face. I personally prefer a prong collar, with a safety back up collar to train your dog not to pull so hard. But I am sure there are other methods that work just as well.
In my area, which is a nice area by the way, it is rare that I don't encounter several loose dogs out and about, if and when I walk my dog. I usually just try to walk the other way or just hope the other dog isn't interested. But on occasion there is that one dog that is looking for trouble, but most of the time just yelling at the dog prevents him from coming too close. But this doesn't always work, one poster says she would use mace or pepper spray "I think that is fine", you use alcohol, if it works that is also good. I have also heard that the "sound" of a stun gun will stop most dogs in their tracks.
The important thing is to try to prevent the incident from happening what ever you have to do to accomplish this. Because most likely, no matter how it happened, the "PIT BULL" will be blamed in most situations! It is our job to protect our dogs from ignorance, and prejudice which is rampid out there.
If you are new to the breed read as much as you can BEFORE you get one. If you already own one, then read even more, because this breed "game bred ones anyway" are much different than other dogs when it comes to combat. They do not have to be trained, taught, or prodded into fighting as the media would like you to believe. In my opinion they are the bravest, most loyal, loving dogs on the planet and I have owned at least one for over 30 years +.
But like anything else you have to understand them. They do not need other
Dog friends to be happy, they are not a pack animal like most other dog breeds. They are perfectly content with you, and other human contact.
Now I know there are members on here saying, "my pit bulls get along great together!" Well that is the exception, not the rule, and most likely your dogs are mixed, or many generations from game lines. OK I am done rambling LOL.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Sounds like grasping and dramatics to me. What kind of dingle suggested waiting for a break in the action? You grab the collar and immobilize the dog as best you can. Nobody is suggesting you just watch and wait. Because watching a dog fight is, y'know, like, a crime in most places. I don't let other people handle my dogs unless I know they can really handle them. That is the safer option in my experience.
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Hmmm! Well OK.
Like I said, a break stick is a tool, and is the best tool in the right situation.
Ex; Two "REAL" bull dogs in an accidental fight. This is where it works, and is the best tool for the job. If you are alone, tie one of the dogs off to something, then break loose the other one.
It is not as complicated as you make it sound.
And like I mentioned about the alcohol, if it works to break up a fight, then I see nothing wrong with it. But I have serious reservations that it would work with real bull dogs. And when I mentioned all those ludicrous ways the uneducated use to try to break up a fight, I hope that doesn't apply to anyone on this site!
In regards to training methods, like some other posters mentioned, there are most likely better ways to teach your dog not to pull, or teaching other commands than spraying alcohol to the face. I personally prefer a prong collar, with a safety back up collar to train your dog not to pull so hard. But I am sure there are other methods that work just as well.
In my area, which is a nice area by the way, it is rare that I don't encounter several loose dogs out and about, if and when I walk my dog. I usually just try to walk the other way or just hope the other dog isn't interested. But on occasion there is that one dog that is looking for trouble, but most of the time just yelling at the dog prevents him from coming too close. But this doesn't always work, one poster says she would use mace or pepper spray "I think that is fine", you use alcohol, if it works that is also good. I have also heard that the "sound" of a stun gun will stop most dogs in their tracks.
The important thing is to try to prevent the incident from happening what ever you have to do to accomplish this. Because most likely, no matter how it happened, the "PIT BULL" will be blamed in most situations! It is our job to protect our dogs from ignorance, and prejudice which is rampid out there.
If you are new to the breed read as much as you can BEFORE you get one. If you already own one, then read even more, because this breed "game bred ones anyway" are much different than other dogs when it comes to combat. They do not have to be trained, taught, or prodded into fighting as the media would like you to believe. In my opinion they are the bravest, most loyal, loving dogs on the planet and I have owned at least one for over 30 years +.
But like anything else you have to understand them. They do not need other
Dog friends to be happy, they are not a pack animal like most other dog breeds. They are perfectly content with you, and other human contact.
Now I know there are members on here saying, "my pit bulls get along great together!" Well that is the exception, not the rule, and most likely your dogs are mixed, or many generations from game lines. OK I am done rambling LOL.
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Sounds like grasping and dramatics to me. What kind of dingle suggested waiting for a break in the action? You grab the collar and immobilize the dog as best you can. Nobody is suggesting you just watch and wait. Because watching a dog fight is, y'know, like, a crime in most places. I don't let other people handle my dogs unless I know they can really handle them. That is the safer option in my experience.
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I've never seen anyone with quick enough hands nor shifty enough feet get ahold of one of the two dogs before one of the two dog got a good hold on the other.

One dog has to have a hold of the other before you can get a hold yourself.

Prior to that, it's pure chaos, moving far too fast for a person to stick their hand in the middle and try to grab a dog without getting bit.
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Wow, just wow! I'm not even going to address certain comments because it falls on deaf ears and hollow heads. DA is bred into an APBT, you can't "cure it," but you can manage it. Always having control of your dog, learn body language, know your surroundings and your dog's triggers. Train, leave it, sit, stay etc. Some have never been in a true dog fight; I've been in 3, that was enough for me. Each time it was worse. My 80lb bully mix has DR and my 120lb Bull Mastiff had full blown DA. We C&R'd for years until the last fight when I decided to pts my Mastiff. It is very expensive repairing damaged dogs (if they survived the fight) from a true fight. The last fight my Mastiff broke his barrier and was on my bully in a second. The break stick worked for my bully but couldn't be used on the Mastiff. I slipped and ended up with a broken wrist from the bites my Mastiff did, still trying to charge at the bully. I know he wasn't trying to harm me, he was so focused on "attacking the bully". The vet said he could fix them both up, get me a trainer to try and manage the situation but each incident was progressively worse and what if the kids were caught in the middle. There would be no chance of protecting them, so I made the hard choice to pts my heart. I know I did the right thing. I am currently working hard with my bully mix on his DR. It's a slow process but ever small positive reinforcing step without alcohol is worth it.
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And rubbing alcohol creates a Star Trek-like force field which stops two dogs from making contact? Breaking dogs out of holds is the point. We're talking about Pit Bulls, right? I don't know about your dogs, but if my dogs make contact, they're already in holds. Nothing -- not sight, nor sound, nor smell -- will stop them short of the security meaures I already have in place. And if a security breach does happen, grab, choke, break off. It is remarkably effective.

I remember the last time someone tried alternate means to stop a dog fight. It prolonged it because the dogs were wet and hard to grab after someone thought to spray the hose.
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Sounds like grasping and dramatics to me. What kind of dingle suggested waiting for a break in the action? You grab the collar and immobilize the dog as best you can. Nobody is suggesting you just watch and wait. Because watching a dog fight is, y'know, like, a crime in most places. I don't let other people handle my dogs unless I know they can really handle them. That is the safer option in my experience.
Exactly what I was thinking. Watch for a break in the action? WTH. You just break it up. You are alone you have one dog attach the leash to something and you move the breakstick into the corner or the jaw and they release. It's not that difficult...

And you said you agree none of the other idiot methods work because you have tried them!?!? Anyone who gets these breeds and doesn't do research to know water doesn't work and kicking or hitting is abuse! Having to try those out to know you fail is unbelievable.

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"You just break it up," huh? You just throw caution to the wind and jump right into the middle of the action. As someone said earlier, you have some star trek force field or something?

Pits are capable of killing one another and other dogs even easier and they can maim children and adults alike and a hard biter can lock down with 3,000 pounds of force per square inch...

But, breaking up a fight without getting injured is a walk in the park, easy as pie. Naa, there's a great deal of technique required to do it right, to protect yourself.

"Just do it," is really, really, really bad advice. You damn sure want to know what you're doing before you get into the middle of a pit fight. To say otherwise is ignorant.

All you bleeding hearts crying, "I've got to do anything necessary to protect my dog," need to take a step back and think. Rule number one in breaking up a pit fight is protecting yourself.

Once again, a break stick and inexperience is a recipe for disaster... but good luck!
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"You just break it up," huh? You just throw caution to the wind and jump right into the middle of the action. As someone said earlier, you have some star trek force field or something?

Pits are capable of killing one another and other dogs even easier and they can maim children and adults alike and a hard biter can lock down with 3,000 pounds of force per square inch...

But, breaking up a fight without getting injured is a walk in the park, easy as pie. Naa, there's a great deal of technique required to do it right, to protect yourself.

"Just do it," is really, really, really bad advice. You damn sure want to know what you're doing before you get into the middle of a pit fight. To say otherwise is ignorant.

All you bleeding hearts crying, "I've got to do anything necessary to protect my dog," need to take a step back and think. Rule number one in breaking up a pit fight is protecting yourself.

Once again, a break stick and inexperience is a recipe for disaster... but good luck!
first bold is false. what i quoted you as saying is more powerful than a great white shark.

the 2nd thing i bold is true. get a break stick, learn how to use it.
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AHHH, so now you agree? You've got to learn how to use one? You shouldn't just shove one into your back pocket and jump into the first pit fight you come across?

Like I said, there's a method to it and if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to get bit or worse.
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AHHH, so now you agree? You've got to learn how to use one? You shouldn't just shove one into your back pocket and jump into the first pit fight you come across?

Like I said, there's a method to it and if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to get bit or worse.
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LOL! yea, cause a pit fight in action definitely resembles a lab sitting on his haunches holding a tennis ball.

The actual breaking of a pit's hold is about 3 seconds of a minute long process.

But, finished beating my head into the ground over this. You go ahead and keep telling inexperienced pit owners to select the most dangerous method of breaking up a fight. They in turn can become instant experts on the matter by "just youtube[ing] it" and further perpetuate the ignorance to other new pit owners... and on and on and on.

Meanwhile, no one is saying, "hold on there greenhorn. There are much safer ways to break-up a fight than putting yourself in harms way. If they don't work, yea, you're probably going to need a break stick, but make make a break stick your last resort, not your first, because it's dangerous getting up-close and personal with a pit fight."

I find it hard to believe you don't feel irresponsible about telling someone's 100 pound wife or someone's teenage kid, "no worries man, it's easy. Just jump in there, it's just a pit bull fight after all... but of course, you tube it first."
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