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Old 11-29-2012, 01:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Raising siblings?

I was wondering if anyone had raised or is raising sibling pitbulls? I have a male and female siblings and they are doing great I just wanted to hear any feedback from anyone who has two from the same litter how they acted, how they act separated? Like Gage my male will pace and whine if he can't see Autumn my female, he gets very concerned lol it's cute... Also the play fighting... Obviously they are puppies they get rough they leave scratches on each other and I am like a hawk with them to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. The aluminum can with pennies works like a charm, they hear me pick it up at this point without shaking it yet and they freeze.

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I have 2 littermates right now, although they are pups as well almost 6 months I do notice behaviour changes already. The female is pretty rough with the male and at times had to be seperated, we have now crate trained them indiviually and they are treated as the rest of my dogs only out together while supervised. Just because they are siblings does not mean they will get along forever, just keep that in mind. DA kicks in as they mature , some may have it some may not but I would work on training them seperate just incase you need it in the future, especially when they already whine when apart. Get them used to being apart at times or you may run into some anxiety issues. Some of the dogs I know from partners who are related have the hardest times being together when grown. My friend has a mother daughter who can not be together period, so goes to show relation does not matter.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Yeah so far everything seems to be okay with them, but we are always watching for something to turn. I pray they will get along, but i know that isn't for certain.

they LOVE people all they want is attention anytime we go anywhere. We have been trying to get them around as many dogs, friendly dogs, that we can, Autumn normally doesn't have a problem, Gage seems scared and waits until Autumn has met the dog before he will met.

We crated them together for the first couple days just because I though they might have a problem getting used to the new place and new people. Now we have them separated but right next to each other (in those metal crates vs the plastic ones). I try to take them out at least once by themselves to walk they are learning every quick, our female faster than the male though.

My boyfriend (their co-owner) and myself work rotating schedules, so some times we are home at night and others times we aren't, I'm sure that doesn't help with the whole keeping a schedule with any type of puppy but they seem to be doing great. For the most part they are only alone for about 4 hours a day right now, of course sometimes if our schedules match up for a change it is longer.

There mother and grandmother don't get along either. Supposedly the grandmother is very protective over the puppies and the mother seemed to shrug it off and caused tension for the lady we got our two from.

I have grown up with dobermans, mastiffs, and cane corsos in my home and have had pitbulls in close relatives, but these are the first two that I have had with me. So far we are trying to do our best and learn as we go along.... I'm also curious as to this flirt poles and spring board/poles I hear about? I was told by a co-worker who has two boxers that his brother has a rope ties around a tree limb and there pitbull will jump clench the rope and just swing himself... Is that what a flirt rope or spring pole is?

Sorry I post a lot.. I don't want to be that owner who doesnt know anything or do anything right... I'm trying by best I just have questions.


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Flirt pole you can make using PVC pipe and running a rope through it { make pipe long enough where the dog cant touch you when chasing it or jump on you , ours is about 4-5 feet long} tie a huge knot in one end so the rope cant be pulled though and tie a toy, hide, peice of cloth on the other end for the dog to chase. easy way to exercise them with minimal effort on your part, you just stand there and turn around in a circle making the dog have to run after the toy.

The spring pole is what is tied to the tree, you can tie a rope directly to the branch if the tree has enough give or if it is a firm branch with no give attach a garage spring to the branch and then another rope from the spring to the toy or hide , this allows some give. { can be hard on a dogs mouth if there is no give to it}. with pups make sure it is low enough all 4 paws can touch the ground as any jumping or falling can injure a pup easily and cause ligament / tendon damage. wait till they age a bit and you can slowly raise it. I will attach a pic of my boy who LOVES the spring pole. I dont know if I have video of the flirt pole will have to look for it.


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Like Gage my male will pace and whine if he can't see Autumn my female, he gets very concerned lol it's cute..
No, it's not cute. This is one of the main problems with raising siblings that I see people run into (or they don't get along at all) Finding the time to work with ONE puppy is hard, finding a way to work two puppies (SEPARATELY) is, well, twice as hard. You NEED to do this. Your male must learn now to be comfortable when the female isn't around. They both need to have time to bond with YOU, the handler, one on one. You will also need to fix them sooner rather than later.
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I have to intact males, two years old, they get along great, best friends. Like Gage, my two boys get really uncomfortable if they can't see one another.

We don't own crates, don't chain them and don't separate them. It's the second time I've raised a pair of two brothers, so don't let anyone tell you it can't be done.

With that said. It can be a recipe for disaster, especially two males, especially if you do things wrong.

In reality, if you don't work from home or on a ranch where you're with them 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, there is a lot of risk to it (let me rephrase that: it's virtually impossible without crates or chains). Especially when they're young and growing up, their relationship seems to change on a daily basis.

Between 9 months and 1 1/2 years is a difficult stretch. If you can get through that time relatively unscathed, it gets much easier.

If you're going to allow them around one another all the time, here are some tips:

1) No toys laying around. Toys start fights. And for damn sure, not playing fetch with a single ball.
2) No food or bones laying around, starts fights.
3) Don't let one dog clean the bowl of the other when you feed them. He'll get in the habit of scarfing down his food and walking over to nose into the other dog's bowl. Leads to a fight.
4) Don't let them dig in the trash, they'll fight over trash.
5) Let them play, but don't let them growl. They can play as rough as they want as long as no one growls or gets his hair up.
6) Don't let them dry hump each other. Leads to fights.
7) When they reach 9 months or so, figure out which one is the leader, not the biggest nor the toughest nor the meanest, the leader. Which pup runs around searching and which pup follows the other.

That allows you to walk both on a leash at the same time. Feed a dog's length of extra rope to the leader when you're walking. Switch their natural roles... you have a fight.
8) Let them sleep together. It builds a bond. Separate them at night, and you're going to have to start separating them for other intimate activities as well.
9) Don't ever pet one and reject the other. If you're petting one and the other wanders over, pet him too. If you tell one you've had enough, tell them both to get away.
10) Give them absolutely nothing to get jealous over. No favorites, over anything, ever.

Of course, all dogs are different and you may be able to be a little lax on some of these things. Who knows, each pair of pits is an experiment in itself. You'll figure out a system that works for your two.

One thing is for certain, siblings are much easier to handle together than the mess that is created when you introduce a new dog into the family. In some cases, it's a noble decision, -- rescuing a dog for example -- but that's a really hard situation to deal with.

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No, it's not cute. This is one of the main problems with raising siblings that I see people run into (or they don't get along at all) Finding the time to work with ONE puppy is hard, finding a way to work two puppies (SEPARATELY) is, well, twice as hard. You NEED to do this. Your male must learn now to be comfortable when the female isn't around. They both need to have time to bond with YOU, the handler, one on one. You will also need to fix them sooner rather than later.
Good luck!
u dont want the dogs to be more bonded to each other than to u. ...
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I have to intact males, two years old, they get along great, best friends. Like Gage, my two boys get really uncomfortable if they can't see one another.

We don't own crates, don't chain them and don't separate them. It's the second time I've raised a pair of two brothers, so don't let anyone tell you it can't be done.
It's not that it can't be done. The majority of use just choose to not risk our animals safety and treat these dog like they are labs when they are not. This is a dog aggressive breed. Just because you have had dogs that are not dog aggressive doesn't change what the breed its self is capable of.

I would rather be responsible and separate them than risk a dog fight that could seriously damage or even kill one of my dogs in minutes.

You have had cold dogs that are not DA, but assuming all others will be cold is foolish.



All you need to walk dogs together on a leash is proper training. I have several DA dog that can be around each other and I can walk them together. They focus on me not the other dogs. Your dogs need to bond with you not the litter mate.
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i would like to just chime in and say, i think ur on the right track OP... sounds like u are starting to train and walk separately, crating separately and searching for the right info.... good luck on ur adventure...

only advice, which I'm sure u know is, never leave them alone un crated.... always have them separate when no one is around..... kenya and my roomates dog got into a scrap becuase i thought it would be ok to leave them in the yard together while i went to the store for a bag of chips and a beer, rookie mistake. when i came back i had a bloody massacre in my yard. kenya tore my roomates dog to shreds and was still holding and shaking even tho she clearly won the battle....

and they have known each other since kenya was 8wks old.... never showed aggression before.... so just be cautious...
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It's not that it can't be done. The majority of use just choose to not risk our animals safety and treat these dog like they are labs when they are not. This is a dog aggressive breed. Just because you have had dogs that are not dog aggressive doesn't change what the breed its self is capable of.

I would rather be responsible and separate them than risk a dog fight that could seriously damage or even kill one of my dogs in minutes.

You have had cold dogs that are not DA, but assuming all others will be cold is foolish.



All you need to walk dogs together on a leash is proper training. I have several DA dog that can be around each other and I can walk them together. They focus on me not the other dogs. Your dogs need to bond with you not the litter mate.
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I'm not making any assumptions about other people's dog, cold or otherwise. You're making the assumptions. One, that I've never had and don't currently don't have any DA pits. That's silly; you know nothing about the pits I own now, the pits I've had in the past, nor the pits of my father's I was raised around.

You're also making your argument based on the premise that if a dog is DA toward some dogs, that they're aggressive toward all dogs. That's not the case. I have a pit that goes at any dog that stops to posture, but he has no problem with the neighbor's couch rat following us on walks.

They're are many cases of pits that were grand champions in the pit that were extremely playful with other dogs in a yard.

You don't know anything more about me than I know about you and your dog's behavior doesn't epitomize the breed. You're just making too many sweeping generalizations and broad assumptions about both me and pit bulls to offer anything of worth to work with.
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I think American pit has more then earned her credit that is given to her on here. She has proven what she knows over and over on here and I would hold her words higher then yours at this point. She is not the only one who saw what you wrote as a bunch of red flags being raised. I thought the same thing as her, from what we have heard on here you have some cold dogs { nothing bad, I have some as well} but to generalize that it can be done { raising multiples with no crates or chains} based on those type of dogs you can really be causing more harm to those you tell that too. You have no idea if the person you are responding to will have cold dogs as well, last thing you want is to give someone a false sense of security based on your dogs who may not be DA to begin with.

See this alot with new members who come on and praise themselves on how they raised there dog and trained and if they can do it everyone can , but in fact they never had DA dogs to begin with. Also see that with the cesaer milan freaks who think cause he has a pack together then they should be able to as well, but yet they missed the shows where he had fights and they dont see what the camera doesn't catch.

I have a DA dog too who is fine with some as you say , that is true and can happen. however will I chance her with the ones she has not had issues with yet unattended? nope crates are a GREAT tool to use , and should be encouraged IMO to any member coming and asking for advice on multiples.
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I think American pit has more then earned her credit that is given to her on here. She has proven what she knows over and over on here and I would hold her words higher then yours at this point. She is not the only one who saw what you wrote as a bunch of red flags being raised. I thought the same thing as her, from what we have heard on here you have some cold dogs { nothing bad, I have some as well} but to generalize that it can be done { raising multiples with no crates or chains} based on those type of dogs you can really be causing more harm to those you tell that too. You have no idea if the person you are responding to will have cold dogs as well, last thing you want is to give someone a false sense of security based on your dogs who may not be DA to begin with.

See this alot with new members who come on and praise themselves on how they raised there dog and trained and if they can do it everyone can , but in fact they never had DA dogs to begin with. Also see that with the cesaer milan freaks who think cause he has a pack together then they should be able to as well, but yet they missed the shows where he had fights and they dont see what the camera doesn't catch.

I have a DA dog too who is fine with some as you say , that is true and can happen. however will I chance her with the ones she has not had issues with yet unattended? nope crates are a GREAT tool to use , and should be encouraged IMO to any member coming and asking for advice on multiples.
Good post. Finally getting our older dog to be comfortable in her crate and not break out was the best. It helps us with one on one training and when we're gone I am not constantly freaking out about if she's getting into stuff like she used too. She likes her crate now and when she sees me grab my stuff walks right too it and Cain goes to his.


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It's not that it can't be done. The majority of use just choose to not risk our animals safety and treat these dog like they are labs when they are not. This is a dog aggressive breed. Just because you have had dogs that are not dog aggressive doesn't change what the breed its self is capable of.

I would rather be responsible and separate them than risk a dog fight that could seriously damage or even kill one of my dogs in minutes.

You have had cold dogs that are not DA, but assuming all others will be cold is foolish.



All you need to walk dogs together on a leash is proper training. I have several DA dog that can be around each other and I can walk them together. They focus on me not the other dogs. Your dogs need to bond with you not the litter mate.



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You don't know anything more about me than I know about you and your dog's behavior doesn't epitomize the breed. You're just making too many sweeping generalizations and broad assumptions about both me and pit bulls to offer anything of worth to work with.

Generalizations and broad assumptions lol... Ummm no I know the breed there is a difference. I also had no intention of leaving something to work with lol. I made a statement.


I didn't assume anything.

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I have to intact males, two years old, they get along great, best friends. Like Gage, my two boys get really uncomfortable if they can't see one another.

We don't own crates, don't chain them and don't separate them. It's the second time I've raised a pair of two brothers, so don't let anyone tell you it can't be done.

This right here in your own statement shows that your dogs are not DA. They may have scraps or dominance fights, but are clearly not DA.

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You're also making your argument based on the premise that if a dog is DA toward some dogs, that they're aggressive toward all dogs. That's not the case. I have a pit that goes at any dog that stops to posture, but he has no problem with the neighbor's couch rat following us on walks.
I never said if they are DA with some dogs that means all dogs.. You ASSUMED that. I said:

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It's not that it can't be done. The majority of use just choose to not risk our animals safety and treat these dog like they are labs when they are not. This is a dog aggressive breed. Just because you have had dogs that are not dog aggressive doesn't change what the breed its self is capable of.

I would rather be responsible and separate them than risk a dog fight that could seriously damage or even kill one of my dogs in minutes.
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They're are many cases of pits that were grand champions in the pit that were extremely playful with other dogs in a yard.
Being DA has nothing to do with fighting so where did this statement even come from??? This has not a single thing to do with this subject lmao.


You seem to want to "educate" based on your specific dogs not based on the breed as a whole.
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