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Old 12-09-2012, 06:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hello all, I just joined the community. First of all I want to commend everyone for their enthusiasm for the breed. I've loved pits for a long time, so its nice to see such a rich community of breeders, and professionals. A bit about me:I'm 32, from the bay area California, I've been breeding pits since my early twenties, and some of you may call me a backyard breeder. However, I do not breed for the money. I breed dogs to improve my bloodline. Many people in California love my dogs, so I've felt a duty to provide them at reasonable prices. I just done a breeding, so naturally I'm looking for places to advertise.
I'd like to know how one could be considered a reputable breeder by this website. What is the process, and is it even possible for someone like me to be considered? Thanks for your time.

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We would need way more info about you and your dogs first before even being considered.
What do you do with your dogs that make them worthy of being bred besides their bloodline?
What exactly is their bloodline?Do you have peds?
Do you health test them?
A truely reputable breeder would have had homes lined up for the puppies before even doing the breeding.

Like I said,we would need way more info and you would need to prove yourself a worthy advocate of the breed first.And this is not a community of breeders.I believe there's only 4 or 5 breeders here who are allowed to post breedings.We are here mainly to educate and promote responsibilty.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
 

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What do you do with your dogs that make them worthy of being bred besides their bloodline?

Could you be more specific this question seems vague. I will try to answer but some examples would help. My dogs are worthy because I care for the breed, and the dogs I have chosen are of good temperaments and pedigrees. It is my belief that many dogs on the market today do not fit the breeds standards of physique or temperament. I see many overweight fat dogs, and many dogs who are just too large to meet the real standards of Pit bulls. I'm not a professional breeder, but the evolution of the dogs doesn't sit well with me. I breed my dogs to keep a line that will be up to the standards of my vision for the breed.

What exactly is their bloodline?Do you have peds?
Ancestors of the McKinney bloodline include Castillo, Garners, and Camaranos bloodlines. My foundation male “Ezekiel” was a purple ribbon dog registered both UKC and ADBA. His Sire name Lenzi's Red Animal. His son, "McKinney's King" was handpicked by me many years ago to do future breeding. This dog has a typical look of a Castillo dog he is tall but very lean. He is about 80 pounds, give or take a few. He has been bred with my female I bought from Jeff Benenson's yard, "Benesons Eydred". She is directly related to Cookie, Rampage and PeeWee. i have not sent of for a full ped on her but I know the line has Peterson's in it for sure. It is my hope that this combination of dogs will create a great line for my future dogs.

Do you health test them?
Yes they are health tested my line has always been very healthy with little problems.

A truely reputable breeder would have had homes lined up for the puppies before even doing the breeding.
Even with a professional site this is not always possible and I believe it is a bit unrealistic for you make the situation so black and white.
However, I do understand this idea, but I have not had the time to do so. I just recently put up a small website to give people better understanding of my line and hopefully I will be able to do this in the future. Thanks for your time.
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also, if the sire is PR, and the dam is not, then how are the pups classified?
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What do you do with your dogs that make them worthy of being bred besides their bloodline?

Could you be more specific this question seems vague. I will try to answer but some examples would help. My dogs are worthy because I care for the breed, and the dogs I have chosen are of good temperaments and pedigrees. It is my belief that many dogs on the market today do not fit the breeds standards of physique or temperament. I see many overweight fat dogs, and many dogs who are just too large to meet the real standards of Pit bulls. I'm not a professional breeder, but the evolution of the dogs doesn't sit well with me. I breed my dogs to keep a line that will be up to the standards of my vision for the breed.

What exactly is their bloodline?Do you have peds?
Ancestors of the McKinney bloodline include Castillo, Garners, and Camaranos bloodlines. My foundation male “Ezekiel” was a purple ribbon dog registered both UKC and ADBA. His Sire name Lenzi's Red Animal. His son, "McKinney's King" was handpicked by me many years ago to do future breeding. This dog has a typical look of a Castillo dog he is tall but very lean. He is about 80 pounds, give or take a few. He has been bred with my female I bought from Jeff Benenson's yard, "Benesons Eydred". She is directly related to Cookie, Rampage and PeeWee. i have not sent of for a full ped on her but I know the line has Peterson's in it for sure. It is my hope that this combination of dogs will create a great line for my future dogs.

Do you health test them?
Yes they are health tested my line has always been very healthy with little problems.

A truely reputable breeder would have had homes lined up for the puppies before even doing the breeding.
Even with a professional site this is not always possible and I believe it is a bit unrealistic for you make the situation so black and white.
However, I do understand this idea, but I have not had the time to do so. I just recently put up a small website to give people better understanding of my line and hopefully I will be able to do this in the future. Thanks for your time.
I don't believe that the evolution of the breed sits well with too many people who actually understand the breed.It takes more than good temperment and pedigree to make a good dog.You cannot breed a dog just because of it's bloodlines.
What makes a dog worthy of being bred?Well I reckon that depends on who you're asking.To me it depends on what the dog has accomplished.And with this breed that does not include show wins.Yeah if the dog has gotten ribbons for confo then that's a plus.But the main thing I'm looking at is work.The dog has to be doing some kind of work.This is a working breed afterall.If all the dog is doing is sitting on a chain in the backyard with a pretty pedigree,that does nothing for me.
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I must say I disagree with you on the working situation. I'm sure their are plenty of dogs out there that are not worked heavily that should be bred. Not everyone is a hunter, or has the time to show their dogs in various ways. Also look at the Staffordshire terrier pretty much the same lines of a pit bull but bred as show dogs. Does that make that breed unqualified to be bred entirely?
A lot of this stuff is based on opinion, like you said, so its very subjective. A little update on my dogs they are all sold, and you were right I should have had buyers ready ahead of time. I have not bred my dogs in since 2005, before you could just put an ad in the paper and people would come running. So I'm putting together my website and I'm quite proud of it actually. If anyone on here would like to more about me they can check it out. I'd love some feedback. [url] Thanks

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I must say I disagree with you on the working situation. I'm sure their are plenty of dogs out there that are not worked heavily that should be bred. Not everyone is a hunter, or has the time to show their dogs in various ways. Also look at the Staffordshire terrier pretty much the same lines of a pit bull but bred as show dogs. Does that make that breed unqualified to be bred entirely?
A lot of this stuff is based on opinion, like you said, so its very subjective. A little update on my dogs they are all sold, and you were right I should have had buyers ready ahead of time. I have not bred my dogs in since 2005, before you could just put an ad in the paper and people would come running. So I'm putting together my website and I'm quite proud of it actually. If anyone on here would like to more about me they can check it out. I'd love some feedback. [url] Thanks
If you don't have time to do what needs to be done to prove your dog is worthy of being bred you shouldn't breed. There is no point in breeding more pets. There are enough out there already. Bloodlines and pedigrees don't make a dog, neither does working and showing a dog. It's the combination of the 2. There are not many reputable breeders out there IMO.

Also we didn't ask if your dogs were healthy. Health testing is hips, eyes and something else that I'm blanking on cause I don't breed

Basically just a nice looking dog without anything to show for it besides a PR is not necessary to breed since there are plenty of pets dying daily in shelters. Do you take back all your offspring no matter the age before you allow a dog to go to a shelter if the adopter runs across hard times and wants to get rid of their dog? Do you require spay and neuter if they are not going to be shown so they will not reproduce? There are many who breed with buyers in mind. There are people who have lists for their dogs and never have to advertise. They breed for themselves and their end goal not others. That's a responsible breeder, to me anyway.


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Well obviously you do not qualify to advertise here, make your own site to peddle your dogs and dont try to post your link here either. We do not condone breeding a without a total package. Your breeding dogs with no goal in mind besides just breeding dogs. Folks don't line up to buy mediocre dogs so of course you don't have a waiting list for your breedings. I think it's safe to say that you are a byb with nothing to offer here. Thanks for inquiring and have a good day
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I'd just like to add that 80lbs is far too big for an APBT. That is totally out of standard. If you have no purpose then you shouldn't be breeding. There are already tons and tons of pet quality dogs that can't find good homes and all you'll be doing by breeding is adding to that. I hope that you'll stick around and learn some things and reconsider what your doing. Although you may have good intention with your dogs, your going about it the wrong way.
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Wow, I wasn't trying to peddle anything. I don't even have any dogs to sell atm, or know when i;ll breed again, and i don't have a list because the sites still being created. I don't breed my dogs often, or for monetary gain. My brothers dog was getting up there in age so I bred him to KEEP MY LINE going. Every person I've sold to has added to my Facebook breeding site or talks to me personally by word of mouth or phone.I keep in touch with all of them. Every customer is very happy with their dog period end of story. I've only had one incident in my whole breeding career where a dog had to be returned. This was because the lady was moving and could keep her dam,Yeah I actually check up on my dogs and who they go to. Each person is interviewed extensively too. You guys are quick to talk down to someone who cares about the breed as much as you, with your misspelled words. At least talk to me as a peer not as some kid.I think its sad when people talk to others in such a rude way when you know damn well, you wouldn't talk to me like that in person. Shelter dogs are not my problem i did not create it and I'm not here to solve it. I have did a total of 4 breeding's in my lifetime maybe 30 dogs at most but somehow I'm some peddler?I have a duty to myself and my line. The world is overpopulated with people too but you don't see people telling everyone not to have kids now do you.. China being an exception to the rule. I mean what if you posted a picture of your kid and someone said to you wow that's an ugly kid, maybe you shouldn't have any more , or we have enough already go adopt. I mean grow up.

Castillo bloodlines and Garners aren't good eh.. Give me a break.If you actually took the time to really look at my dogs instead of scanning the website for 5-10 seconds like i know you have, or saw my dogs in person you'd think different. And back to the monetary gain thing we're here on a website for pit bulls with you preaching to me about monetary gain and yet you have a bunch of ads on this site trying to peddle something to every user. gooday
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It's not my fault you dont qualify as a responsible breeder, it's yours! Get your shit together, go to some shows or title your dogs. They should speak for themselves. Just because you have some dogs doesn't mean you should breed them.
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Wow, I wasn't trying to peddle anything. I don't even have any dogs to sell atm, or know when i;ll breed again, and i don't have a list because the sites still being created. I don't breed my dogs often, or for monetary gain. My brothers dog was getting up there in age so I bred him to KEEP MY LINE going. Every person I've sold to has added to my Facebook breeding site or talks to me personally by word of mouth or phone.I keep in touch with all of them. Every customer is very happy with their dog period end of story. I've only had one incident in my whole breeding career where a dog had to be returned. This was because the lady was moving and could keep her dam,Yeah I actually check up on my dogs and who they go to. Each person is interviewed extensively too. You guys are quick to talk down to someone who cares about the breed as much as you, with your misspelled words. At least talk to me as a peer not as some kid.I think its sad when people talk to others in such a rude way when you know damn well, you wouldn't talk to me like that in person. Shelter dogs are not my problem i did not create it and I'm not here to solve it. I have did a total of 4 breeding's in my lifetime maybe 30 dogs at most but somehow I'm some peddler?I have a duty to myself and my line. The world is overpopulated with people too but you don't see people telling everyone not to have kids now do you.. China being an exception to the rule. I mean what if you posted a picture of your kid and someone said to you wow that's an ugly kid, maybe you shouldn't have any more , or we have enough already go adopt. I mean grow up.

Castillo bloodlines and Garners aren't good eh.. Give me a break.If you actually took the time to really look at my dogs instead of scanning the website for 5-10 seconds like i know you have, or saw my dogs in person you'd think different. And back to the monetary gain thing we're here on a website for pit bulls with you preaching to me about monetary gain and yet you have a bunch of ads on this site trying to peddle something to every user. gooday
I know those lines all too well, as do many here and that is not the point nor the principle.. BYB Back Yard Breeders is a term giving to people who breed a collective of "pitbulls" not paying attention to registry, workability, and mentality. The REASON the American Pit Bull Terrier is still the only SURFIRE working dog of the AST,SBT, APBT, Boston Terrier, and other bulldog sub strains that all on a TRUE DNA test are the same breed. WORK seperates them, APBTs are NOT bred for SHOW they are bred for WORK. WORK defines mentality, if a don't CAN'T work... IT CAN'T WORK.

You were clearly giving a chance to show breeders ethics... You did not. Maybe if you would have showed some registered names and less bolstering and being insulted. Your opening statement asks if you can post a litter: Peddling is anyone who SELLS puppies.. ANYONE. Peddler is just that, it has a bad conatation because in the past it was BAD to be CONSUMER and be the BAIT for PEDDLERS; unlike today everyone is a CONSUMER. However we still get riled up with that word PEDDLER.

If you have not sent of for or registered your dogs, you need to. If you cannot because of lost paper work, there is the CKC, AADR, DRA that you can register with photo and start keeping track of your stock.

Why register your litter? Pedigree is your DNA roadmap showing you what characteristics and from where the characteristics are coming from. That is just one reason.


Grab you a few books from the old timers and you should see more than 1 reason to keep up with pedigrees.

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