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Old 12-14-2012, 09:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
 
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You will never be able to predict the level a DA a dog will have until it happens, if it happens. My boy is 3y/o and not DA however he is DR (dog reactive). I never know how he will react to a specific dog so I always go slow with introductions and I have learned body language. I follow his lead. When he tenses, stares I usually will remove him from the situation. You must take the time to train him as soon as you complete a 2 week shut down. Have you thought of volunteering at a shelter and work with the bully breeds there? Or opt to foster. There is a lot of support and a wealth of knowledge when participating in these types of situations. It will give you first hand experience with the breed without the full commitment until you make a final decision. I commend you for your willingness to learn about the breed and ask questions. Good luck.
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What would you say the energy level of a pitbull puppy is? I know energy levels differ greatly in breeds, I've had quite a few completely different ones. Also, does gender make any difference? Are boys more likely to fight than girls because of dominance or is that just another random statement?
The energy level differs. One of mine was very calm as a puppy, and adapted well to being a couch dog. At 9 years old now, she will sleep in the house, play when play is offered, and still likes to go out for training or walks. Her energy level is very adaptable. Much like when she was a puppy. My other dog is 5, and has always had a higher energy level. I typically put her out in her yard when it's nice, otherwise she'll drive me nuts with her need to do stuff.

My gender experience has been the opposite. I've never kept two males together, usually mixed pairs or multiple females with a male. Typically the girls are the ones to start the fight, sometimes even attacking the males. Boys seem to tolerate a level of bitchy behavior from females, and don't blow up unless they have to. (There are, of course, exceptions.) Especially intact males, they seem to realize that treating the ladies respectfully is key to getting a chance to breed later. LOL! Or maybe I'm overthinking that. But the point is, my girls don't need a reason to fight, but the boys I've been around typically have to be pushed into it. It's certainly more serious when the boys do spark up because they're bigger and stronger. As with dogs generally, there is a greater risk with same-sex pairs.
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Thank you so much for the information, I appreciate it. Is it difficult to manage their aggression toward other dogs? Would you recommend me getting one, even with no experience with the breed? I'm willing to learn and spend time doing stuff with him, but if dog aggression is a very serious problem with the breed and difficult to manage, I'm reluctant to try.


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I don't know if anyone else addressed this- I don't feel like reading through all the responses lol
I had a very dog aggressive German Shepherd. He was big (100 lbs) and very strong, and little ol' 5'4 me could handle him. They can be controlled. It is sometimes tricky- no other dogs, NEVER trust your dog to be nice with other pooches. Until you know for sure, you can do controlled playdates with dogs you know are friendly and trust. My GSD got along with my Pet Bull, but NOT with any other dog.... but that was starting to fade too as she reached adulthood We lost him to cancer earlier this year before anything bad happened, but we had already started keeping them separated unless an adult was RIGHT THERE with them at all times. But when you adopt, there's a good chance you'll find a non-DA dog. My girl in my siggy picture is the picture perfect multi-dog dog. She allows our Chihuahua mix to sleep on top of her, gently plays with our Mini Poodle and the Chi mix. It could have easily been the other way, and she would have been an only dog. But I do take precautions- supervision at all times. None of them is allowed to bully the other. We don't leave toys or chews laying around, and they ALL get crated at night, and if we need to leave the house. Just keep in mind- no dog parks, no unknown dogs, training is a must- as these are powerful dogs. Plenty of exercise and a good diet-- and the right dog-- make it totally worthwhile though.
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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said. I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old. Every dogs is not really different. People just need to stop looking at the dog as a breed. Just like Cesar Milan said " just look at the dog as a dog and not it breed" every dog are either aggressive or not. You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed. Back then I was not educated enough to know these stuff. Always afraid my two male going fight and when they did, instead of fixing the problem. I separated them, which turn out to be even worst. Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female. But it all depend on the what level of energy your dog is. If you pick a mid- level energy dog that don't really play all day then chances are that dog will be mellow most of the day. With some walking- 1-2 miles a day and a lil biking, that dog will be just fine with any dogs. I hated when people kept on bringing out the pitbull standard. What a pit should be like. They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame. My advice to you is do more research on how to train a dog..so you will be more educated and prepare for your new puppy- regardless of what breed it may be. Love, training, and spending time with your dog, he will be your # 1 companion. Always socialise your puppy with other well manner dogand well behave people's. Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs. I'm sorry I drag this thing to long. And to pitbull lover in this board, I ain't trying offended no one here. I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion. I hope this answer all your question. If you are not sure you can handle a (real pit) lol..then my advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder. Ask the breeder if all the dogs in their yard are well temperament: meaning no aggression toward dog and human. Ask if you could see the parent and grand parent of the pups playing together.Ask if you can pet their dogs. If all the dogs are friendly wagging their tail and licking you. Then chances are all that behave from the parent will be passing down to the pups. Dont ever buy fron a back yard breeders or breeders that chained their dogs up all day. It all boiled down to how the breeder breed the dogs. good breeder create good dogs.
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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said. I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old. Every dogs is not really different. People just need to stop looking at the dog as a breed. Just like Cesar Milan said " just look at the dog as a dog and not it breed" every dog are either aggressive or not. You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed. Back then I was not educated enough to know these stuff. Always afraid my two male going fight and when they did, instead of fixing the problem. I separated them, which turn out to be even worst. Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female. But it all depend on the what level of energy your dog is. If you pick a mid- level energy dog that don't really play all day then chances are that dog will be mellow most of the day. With some walking- 1-2 miles a day and a lil biking, that dog will be just fine with any dogs. I hated when people kept on bringing out the pitbull standard. What a pit should be like. They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame. My advice to you is do more research on how to train a dog..so you will be more educated and prepare for your new puppy- regardless of what breed it may be. Love, training, and spending time with your dog, he will be your # 1 companion. Always socialise your puppy with other well manner dogand well behave people's. Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs. I'm sorry I drag this thing to long. And to pitbull lover in this board, I ain't trying offended no one here. I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion. I hope this answer all your question. If you are not sure you can handle a (real pit) lol..then my advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder. Ask the breeder if all the dogs in their yard are well temperament: meaning no aggression toward dog and human. Ask if you could see the parent and grand parent of the pups playing together.Ask if you can pet their dogs. If all the dogs are friendly wagging their tail and licking you. Then chances are all that behave from the parent will be passing down to the pups. Dont ever buy fron a back yard breeders or breeders that chained their dogs up all day. It all boiled down to how the breeder breed the dogs. good breeder create good dogs.
When you say get a "blue pitbull" are you referring to color? Because if so the color has absolutely nothing to do with anything. There isn't anything special about blue noses red noses etc. and to go back to your statement "if dog is exercised they won't fight" or something along those lines, I have family that own a pitbull. That dog is exercised, walked and loved all day long. He also attacked their blue heeler for no reason. I have a blue heeler mix. She loves Cain, but will attack any other dog without warning. She has to be watched closely and put on her tie out outside. She is well exercised, loved, fed etc but she still doesn't get along with other dogs beside Cain. It can happen to any dog any situation.


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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said. I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old. Every dogs is not really different. People just need to stop looking at the dog as a breed. Just like Cesar Milan said " just look at the dog as a dog and not it breed" every dog are either aggressive or not. You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed. Back then I was not educated enough to know these stuff. Always afraid my two male going fight and when they did, instead of fixing the problem. I separated them, which turn out to be even worst. Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female. But it all depend on the what level of energy your dog is. If you pick a mid- level energy dog that don't really play all day then chances are that dog will be mellow most of the day. With some walking- 1-2 miles a day and a lil biking, that dog will be just fine with any dogs. I hated when people kept on bringing out the pitbull standard. What a pit should be like. They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame. My advice to you is do more research on how to train a dog..so you will be more educated and prepare for your new puppy- regardless of what breed it may be. Love, training, and spending time with your dog, he will be your # 1 companion. Always socialise your puppy with other well manner dogand well behave people's. Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs. I'm sorry I drag this thing to long. And to pitbull lover in this board, I ain't trying offended no one here. I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion. I hope this answer all your question. If you are not sure you can handle a (real pit) lol..then my advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder. Ask the breeder if all the dogs in their yard are well temperament: meaning no aggression toward dog and human. Ask if you could see the parent and grand parent of the pups playing together.Ask if you can pet their dogs. If all the dogs are friendly wagging their tail and licking you. Then chances are all that behave from the parent will be passing down to the pups. Dont ever buy fron a back yard breeders or breeders that chained their dogs up all day. It all boiled down to how the breeder breed the dogs. good breeder create good dogs.
. "My advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull..." Because you know color really effects the temperament of a dog.... While he's downing everybody else's advice please take his with a grain of salt. The only "real pit" is an APBT color has nothing to do with that. Lolz!!!


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Thaivo.... pshaw! I'm so glad that u were able to come in a shed some light ... not. I don't like to be rude but u did kinda come of that way. Owning dogs for 16 years and watching Cesar doesn't make u an expert in this field. Cesar is an idiot who doesn't truthfully run the show. And ur foolsih for telling this gal to get a "blue pit bull from a good breeder".... haha, case in point a blue APBT off of Lisa at Performance Knls would be a hand full for a new owner. And if ur speaking about an American Bully, well they have less energy cuz the blood is so watered down. But why not adopt why does she have to get a dog from a good breeder. My blue shelter mutt came to me with a handful of commands, potty trained, crate trained, vetted, chipped, and fixed.

About ur comment about tired dogs not fighting. Thats not true in the least. A true DA dog that has any drive to him will not give up untill he gets what he wants. My dog is not DA neither is my foster, however the play real hard and real loud. They don't usually even stop when they are tired. Oh and they are both males if that matters, since u said males are more likely to be DA, which is also a garbage statement.

But over all I would like to point out that veiws like urs are what's doing this breed a disservice. These breeds ARE different than other breeds. Genetics DO play a part of how the dogs behaves. And DA CANNOT be fixed, it can be managed. Ur attempts to crate and rotate failed because u didn't dedicate the time, not because u didn't "fix" the dogs.
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Thaivo.... pshaw! I'm so glad that u were able to come in a shed some light ... not. I don't like to be rude but u did kinda come of that way. Owning dogs for 16 years and watching Cesar doesn't make u an expert in this field. Cesar is an idiot who doesn't truthfully run the show. And ur foolsih for telling this gal to get a "blue pit bull from a good breeder".... haha, case in point a blue APBT off of Lisa at Performance Knls would be a hand full for a new owner. And if ur speaking about an American Bully, well they have less energy cuz the blood is so watered down. But why not adopt why does she have to get a dog from a good breeder. My blue shelter mutt came to me with a handful of commands, potty trained, crate trained, vetted, chipped, and fixed.

About ur comment about tired dogs not fighting. Thats not true in the least. A true DA dog that has any drive to him will not give up untill he gets what he wants. My dog is not DA neither is my foster, however the play real hard and real loud. They don't usually even stop when they are tired. Oh and they are both males if that matters, since u said males are more likely to be DA, which is also a garbage statement.

But over all I would like to point out that veiws like urs are what's doing this breed a disservice. These breeds ARE different than other breeds. Genetics DO play a part of how the dogs behaves. And DA CANNOT be fixed, it can be managed. Ur attempts to crate and rotate failed because u didn't dedicate the time, not because u didn't "fix" the dogs.
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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said. I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old. Every dogs is not really different. People just need to stop looking at the dog as a breed. Just like Cesar Milan said " just look at the dog as a dog and not it breed" every dog are either aggressive or not. You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed. Back then I was not educated enough to know these stuff. Always afraid my two male going fight and when they did, instead of fixing the problem. I separated them, which turn out to be even worst. Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female. But it all depend on the what level of energy your dog is. If you pick a mid- level energy dog that don't really play all day then chances are that dog will be mellow most of the day. With some walking- 1-2 miles a day and a lil biking, that dog will be just fine with any dogs. I hated when people kept on bringing out the pitbull standard. What a pit should be like. They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame. My advice to you is do more research on how to train a dog..so you will be more educated and prepare for your new puppy- regardless of what breed it may be. Love, training, and spending time with your dog, he will be your # 1 companion. Always socialise your puppy with other well manner dogand well behave people's. Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs. I'm sorry I drag this thing to long. And to pitbull lover in this board, I ain't trying offended no one here. I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion. I hope this answer all your question. If you are not sure you can handle a (real pit) lol..then my advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder. Ask the breeder if all the dogs in their yard are well temperament: meaning no aggression toward dog and human. Ask if you could see the parent and grand parent of the pups playing together.Ask if you can pet their dogs. If all the dogs are friendly wagging their tail and licking you. Then chances are all that behave from the parent will be passing down to the pups. Dont ever buy fron a back yard breeders or breeders that chained their dogs up all day. It all boiled down to how the breeder breed the dogs. good breeder create good dogs.
This is clearly not the right forum for you if you disagree with the vast majority of members on this site. I can recommend a few fur mommy facebook groups where your know it all, closed minded attitude will fit right in...
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:33 PM   #27 (permalink)
 
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Hi Emily,

I am a first time pit owner too. And I'm proud to say that I'm training her for work. She's a trailing dog for search and rescue and she's doing extremely well. I didn't intend for a working dog-I only wanted a dog that I could do things with like hiking, biking, running, swimming, so I needed a medium to large sized breed, and pit bull breeds definitely fit into that category. They're wonderfully versatile and self-socializers (typically).

I am a true novice. To some people I probably have no business owning a pit, but I've been researching and doing a lot of things on the side to ensure that I've done everything humanly possible to nourish and nurture my pup. The fact that my dog is in SAR is also helping me feel a little bit better about this whole thing. I don't openly tell people that she's my first "real" dog, but when I do people are surprised.

When people ask me, "Why'd you pick a pit bull?" I tell them that I picked the dog first, then the breed. I have not met many dogs like mine. They might look the same, or different-but her drive and energy, her goofy and carefree personality, these are things that I looked for first before considering her breed. I've bonded with my pup and I have the same glowing beaming pride that I have for her than I would for a child.

Sure, members of the same breed will have certain characteristics that match, such as possible DA, drive, etc. But I am going to be the unpopular voice to say that please pick the dog first, then consider its breed. Every dog is different, even if the same breed, same litter.
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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what specifically you're disagreeing with. But your whole post was kind of a garbled mess. Please, learn to check your spelling and use paragraph breaks. It adds more weight to your argument if you can be understood.

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I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old.
I'm not a breeder either, but how many dogs have you raised in 10 years? I've lived with these dogs for 24 years, and spent part of that time living with a breeder and a total of 13 APBTs. I've shown, trailed and titled dogs in that time as well. I was given National Obedience Handler for 2011 for putting a UCDX on one of my dogs. And in my 24 years with these dogs, I've had to solve a lot of problems, dealt with a lot of aggression. If you're going to cite experience, make it matter.

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You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed.
The OP has already stated experience with other breeds, so I didn't see where this thread needed to be Basic Dog Training 101. As stated in my first post, problem solving is universal, not by the breed.

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Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female.
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They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame.
*looks around* I'm sorry, did you just argue with yourself in public? Settle down Rainman.



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Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs.
False. If that were so, anybody could pick up a book and make dog-friendly dogs. Having realistic expectations about the type of dog you're getting and how it fits into your lifestyle is key. APBT = good chance of dog-aggression, no matter how many cookies or collar pops you throw at them. And once it has started up, you can't train it away. You can only hope to control it.

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I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion.
What are you doing? Basing your replies on TV and 10 years of raising pit bulls, as far as I can tell, and that's personal opinion as well.

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Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder.
What was that bit about hating personal opinions again? Color = temperament?
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Omg here we go again with DNA and genes. I'm sorry, but Ill have to disagree with a lot of what people in here said. I'm not a breeder non an expert. But all my life I have raise pitbull..from 16 to now- 26 years old. Every dogs is not really different. People just need to stop looking at the dog as a breed. Just like Cesar Milan said " just look at the dog as a dog and not it breed" every dog are either aggressive or not. You can get any dogs with a high energy level and not train them and work them out hard enough to where they have enough for the day,then they will have builded up energy. And they will find a way to release that energy in to something else. Digging holes, fighting with other dogs, tearing up your house and on and on. That goes for every dogs. It got not thing to do with breed. Back then I was not educated enough to know these stuff. Always afraid my two male going fight and when they did, instead of fixing the problem. I separated them, which turn out to be even worst. Male dog all more likely to be more dog aggressive than female. But it all depend on the what level of energy your dog is. If you pick a mid- level energy dog that don't really play all day then chances are that dog will be mellow most of the day. With some walking- 1-2 miles a day and a lil biking, that dog will be just fine with any dogs. I hated when people kept on bringing out the pitbull standard. What a pit should be like. They should be dog aggressive but not human aggressive in order for them to be consider a real pitbull. Man get over it. That is so lame. My advice to you is do more research on how to train a dog..so you will be more educated and prepare for your new puppy- regardless of what breed it may be. Love, training, and spending time with your dog, he will be your # 1 companion. Always socialise your puppy with other well manner dogand well behave people's. Positive reinforcement and correction is the key to having a friendly dog with human and other dogs. I'm sorry I drag this thing to long. And to pitbull lover in this board, I ain't trying offended no one here. I just hated when people misguiding People with personal opinion. I hope this answer all your question. If you are not sure you can handle a (real pit) lol..then my advice is not to get a game pit. Get a blue pitbull with a good pedigree from a good breeder. Ask the breeder if all the dogs in their yard are well temperament: meaning no aggression toward dog and human. Ask if you could see the parent and grand parent of the pups playing together.Ask if you can pet their dogs. If all the dogs are friendly wagging their tail and licking you. Then chances are all that behave from the parent will be passing down to the pups. Dont ever buy fron a back yard breeders or breeders that chained their dogs up all day. It all boiled down to how the breeder breed the dogs. good breeder create good dogs.



As a senior member of this forum I urge all new members to do actual research and do not listen to people like this who are doing more damage than good with their denial and lack of understanding about genetics and this breed in general.

This post ranks up with some of the stupidest I have ever seen on this forum when people try to pretend they know what they are talking about.
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Great post Holly. I gotta spread the love

I fully agree. And I'm guessing when he says he raised "pit bulls" he's not talking about real APBTs but some sort of mix or look a like. The APBT is a high drive working breed and NO their not just like every other dog. This breed was made to be the ultimate warrior and yes Dog Aggression is in their genetics. Not all will be DA but you can't simply turn a blind eye to their history and creation. This mentality and statements like "it's all in how you raise them" and "their lovers not fighters" is seriously damaging!! So many times people hold this as truth and end up having problems later and not knowing why, and thinking their something wrong with their dog. If you really think DA is a myth and something curable then just take a look at Craig's list. There are literally hundreds of people trying to find their "pit bulls" new homes cause they can't get along with house mates anymore. Why exactly do you think that is? It's because people turn a blind eye to the issue and do nothing to prevent issues and solve the problem.
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