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Old 12-31-2012, 12:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Question Am I Crazy ?

As I posted earlier this week, my boyfriends neutarded male Pit who recently turned 3 & who has NEVER shown signs of aggression or anything bit both myself & another female family member this past week .. to clariffy "bit" .. he snipped hard .. causing two small punctures .. however w both of us it was in our face .. he was standing above me as I laid in the bed when he reached down & snipped me & w Tori she had just came over & sat on the couch he lays on & he jumped up to greet her & she pushed back casing him to snip at her ... We currently live w my boyfriends parents who said the dog absolutly has to go .. we spent all week trying to find somewhere that will take him in & not euthanize him ... bc EVERYONE we have talked to seems to think he has become dominant due to the fact that he has no boundaries, sleeps in the beds, lays on the couches .. boyfriends parents feed him from their dinner plates .. he has never received any formal training or obiedience classes .. pretty much everything my boyfriend did to work w him at home was counteracted by his parents who would let the dog do whatever he wants ... We just drove 3 1/2 hours away from home for Zig to see an independant trainer who said he shows no signs of aggression .. she worked w him muzzeled & w out a muzzel & even brought another dog out for him to be around which he did fine with .... The trainer had a potential foster home lined up for him .. however learning the foster home had kids we were not comfortable w/ that bc he has bit 2 of us .... But we can not stomach putting down our baby .. Our only option is to move and work w him ourselves .. get him into training/obiedience classes & to see a behaviorist ... We are weighing the option heavily .. But Im not sure if I am getting in way over my head .. Am I crazy here? I have had "bully breeds" my whole life & have never had to deal with anything like this before .. I know both my boyfriend & I are willing to do whatever it takes to keep our dog alive, which means we need to learn lots to be able to work with him .. I just cant shake the fact that someone told me once a dog bites in the face he is done & the fact that Zig snipped two people in the face in 2 days .. he cant be "fixed" and that we are just avoiding the inevidable .. I know human aggression is completely out of character for this breed & any type of aggression is completely out of character for Ziggy ... Has anyone dealt with this befor, am I getting in over my head ? Am I crazy ?
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I had an HA dog. I loved her. She was my best friend and my protector, but I couldn't manage her. I couldn't protect her. She was an unmarked bullet. So she was put to sleep. It's something that I don't regret because at that time my knowledge was limited. So it was the right thing to do.
I know you love your dog and even considering putting him to sleep is upsetting but if you cannot manage him then that is the only choice you have...
Now I know it's not the popular thing to say especially with this breed, but HA dogs can be managed however it takes a certain type of person. It's not easy and it isn't cheap so if for some reason you choose to keep this dog around there can be no more half assing around. The part you wrote about how your boyfriend attempted to train him but was some how double crossed by his parents tells me that he wasn't serious. (Take no offense to what I'm telling you that's just what I got from what I read.) Things are definitely going to have to change and they are going to have to change ASAP because the actions of you and your boyfriend affect my dog too.
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Well there are many many reasons dogs bite. As I said in your other thread its not right to rehome the dog. If you are willing to invest time and be responsible if she did pass the EVAL ad be responsible about it then I say try everything you can before you PTS. there are tons of reasons dog bite and just because a dog has bit doesn't mean it's human aggressive. Was your test done where you got the results and there were many different parts of the test? Was it a behaviorist or a dog trainer? Look up NILF and make your mind up fast for everyone's sake.


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I did not get a dog until I was self-sufficient and confident that I could handle her on my own. I live with two other people and we seldom get visitors. I take her out though, even if it's to the drive thru.

The fact that this dog's pack changes so often can definitely influence his behavior. Snipping is very different from a full-on bite. Snipping is often done as a jerk reaction. Maybe someone sat in his leg, or just didn't get enough socialization with other dogs (which teaches them bite inhibition). A real bite, which is much more serious, would get me worried.

My dog can do a full-on bite, but she knows humans are off limits and mouths us a lot. Meaning she'd have her mouth open and her teeth would sometimes graze us, but not hurt, and then she'd lick like a cat's love bite.


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HA????

I agree with alot of what the previous ppl said above but i knew a few ppl with ppl aggresive dogs but never had to worry about the dogs biting them i think that you all should invest in obedeince training and stick by it for the sake of the dog.when i say h.a means as far as protecting its domain,and on command as far as snipping i would investigate all the options on what could have been the reason
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I think that is a great step that you had him evaluated. To me it sounds like you care for him and are willing to do what is needed. If financially you can afford to move and continue working with him that is a GREAT option, I would rather see that done then to rehome him { I know how financially that is not always an option so that will have to be between you and your spouse}. If the trainer is not finding him to be aggressive then sounds like some behaviour/ training issues. Sounds like he is being a brat and just trying to put people in there place. Are his parents willing to let you stay longer if you crate train him ? crate him when you are not home watching him and get him in some training classes { although if the parents are not on board with this training they should not be interacting with him when they have already been so counterproductive with him} Would be good to get everyone involved with his training or atleast fill them in when you get home so they can inforce new rules or methods as well. He needs to see EVERYONE in that household as a high pack leader then him.
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