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Old 01-03-2013, 07:46 PM   #16 (permalink)
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IF it can be said it has been said;.. if you know how to look up dogs and follow their pedigrees do so.. What you also need to do is read the vintage APBT books; all you can get. Colby, Stratton, Stevens, Hammonds, Rocca, Faron, Fleig, etc.. IF you got Lou Colbys Book, and two stratton books doesnt matter pick two, and Stevens book NOW RE RELEASED! then you will have 3 great reads and with reading pedigrees understand exactly how all the pieces fit together. The more you read the more you reveal. Build your library, and every time I read a book Ive already read I discover something else I've looked over that make radical sense. like an AHA! moment.

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That fact that "blues" are the dogs that primarily fill up the shelters should speak volumes about their quality.
All those pretend-a-bulls seem to do is fool fools into believing they are Pit Dogs.
Which is a joke for those of us in the know regarding ApBT's.

My credit, however goes out to those who have "blue's" and know the facts.
If any dogs in relation to the ApBT should be called "pet bulls" the blues are the ones.
Just don't tell all those "Uncle Tom's" out there with their gold and fancy cars that, LOL.
They HATE the truth.
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That fact that "blues" are the dogs that primarily fill up the shelters should speak volumes about their quality.
All those pretend-a-bulls seem to do is fool fools into believing they are Pit Dogs.
Which is a joke for those of us in the know regarding ApBT's.

My credit, however goes out to those who have "blue's" and know the facts.
If any dogs in relation to the ApBT should be called "pet bulls" the blues are the ones.
Just don't tell all those "Uncle Tom's" out there with their gold and fancy cars that, LOL.
They HATE the truth.
Gold toothed gangstas I tell ya!! You got me laughing G
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IF it can be said it has been said;.. if you know how to look up dogs and follow their pedigrees do so.. What you also need to do is read the vintage APBT books; all you can get. Colby, Stratton, Stevens, Hammonds, Rocca, Faron, Fleig, etc.. IF you got Lou Colbys Book, and two stratton books doesnt matter pick two, and Stevens book NOW RE RELEASED! then you will have 3 great reads and with reading pedigrees understand exactly how all the pieces fit together. The more you read the more you reveal. Build your library, and every time I read a book Ive already read I discover something else I've looked over that make radical sense. like an AHA! moment.

Knowledge is best when learned through ones best effort; otherwise its just an opinion. Even though books are generally well collected and proven opinions. What they offer is an insight to experience. You cannot beat experience.
Read a book? LOL Does the younger generation even know what a book is? Aren't all truths found on the internet? LOL It's a shame really.
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Read a book? LOL Does the younger generation even know what a book is? Aren't all truths found on the internet? LOL It's a shame really.
I'm part of the young generation being 13 years old and yes I do know what books are


I been dreaming of having a Pit bull since I was 8 because I lived in Miami and the discrimination I seen what just so sad...
I've seen a dead ex-fighting Pit bull with bullet holes on the side of the road..
I've seen a Pit bull that was PURE bones and skins in the Miami dade Animal Shelter walking in from neglect..
I've seen a Pit bull attack my aunt's chihuahua crushing the dog's ear cartilage and slamming her against the fence...
And Here I am , One of the small percentage of the human population that actually loves the entire breed and will prove people that they are NOT bad dogs and that NO DOG is unpredictable and each and everyone of them will always give Body languages...


and I have been researching ever since I was 8 to Prove society that Pit bulls aren't what the media thinks.

It's ashame that crap I seen on the internet that just makes me want to .....
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13 .. huh? well my son is 13 .. He's read all my books and has tried to like different breeds but understands now why we're bulldog people. Other dogs just don't get it done like a bulldog. He loves the stratton library as much as I do and has more years to learn from them and from me both my folleys and my advancments. Being 13 you have this same opportunity. Ask for knowledge when asking for gifts; good books are spendy and gain value in time. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders if you can understand junk from truth and if the blue paul was just a simple question. Remember dogs were named for region, and function.. True working dogs traditional in form are the best dogs no matter the breed. Its just American Pit Bull Terriers can whip any dog at what it was bred for and then whip the dog when he's done.. (Howard Heinzl) memorize the vitage APBT library and gain all the book knowledge and experience possible, have your folks take you on road trip and go check out some kennels or yards.
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13 .. huh? well my son is 13 .. He's read all my books and has tried to like different breeds but understands now why we're bulldog people. Other dogs just don't get it done like a bulldog. He loves the stratton library as much as I do and has more years to learn from them and from me both my folleys and my advancments. Being 13 you have this same opportunity. Ask for knowledge when asking for gifts; good books are spendy and gain value in time. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders if you can understand junk from truth and if the blue paul was just a simple question. Remember dogs were named for region, and function.. True working dogs traditional in form are the best dogs no matter the breed. Its just American Pit Bull Terriers can whip any dog at what it was bred for and then whip the dog when he's done.. (Howard Heinzl) memorize the vitage APBT library and gain all the book knowledge and experience possible, have your folks take you on road trip and go check out some kennels or yards.
i especially like the blue part
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it depends on school of thought. im old school. its not an apbt until its earned the right. apbt was never ment to be a dog breed, it was a title a dog could earn after becoming a champion in the pit. hell you couldnt even register your dog until it hit champ status.

theres plenty out there to back that up. look at a lot of the bird dogs in some of them pictures.

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it depends on school of thought. im old school. its not an apbt until its earned the right. apbt was never ment to be a dog breed, it was a title a dog could earn after becoming a champion in the pit. hell you couldnt even register your dog until it hit champ status.

theres plenty out there to back that up. look at a lot of the bird dogs in some of them pictures.

pit dogs had 1 creed " it aint shit until its proven".
you know I agree 100%: dont you know I was waiting to spring that on em? thats common sense to real bulldog people. It tends to be a bit much for greenhorns to take in. Hahahaha..
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Gold toothed gangstas I tell ya!! You got me laughing G
I kid you not SF! LOL
I saw a dude from "da ghetto" bragging to a bunch of people about his 120# Blue Bull, LOL.
Well, I hadn't seen him in a year so he must have forgot something....
Like the first time he saw me walking one of my dogs....
He thought my boy was rather small, though well built...could bounce a quarter off his belly.
He had in his ride a big bully looking mutt, no papers and told me he had the real deal...
Long story short, my little guy sent his big guy turning away quick!! Tail between the legs!! LOL
And my boy didn't make a sound, LOL.

Point: Most those idiots judge by looks alone and think they can "make" their dogs "tough." LOL
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it depends on school of thought. im old school. its not an apbt until its earned the right. apbt was never ment to be a dog breed, it was a title a dog could earn after becoming a champion in the pit. hell you couldnt even register your dog until it hit champ status.

theres plenty out there to back that up. look at a lot of the bird dogs in some of them pictures.

pit dogs had 1 creed " it aint shit until its proven".
Deffinitly going to agree with that. I've always thought a "pit bull" was a dog who performed and did well in the "pit" hence the name. Not what "papers" say someone has even.
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13 .. huh? well my son is 13 .. He's read all my books and has tried to like different breeds but understands now why we're bulldog people. Other dogs just don't get it done like a bulldog. He loves the stratton library as much as I do and has more years to learn from them and from me both my folleys and my advancments. Being 13 you have this same opportunity. Ask for knowledge when asking for gifts; good books are spendy and gain value in time. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders if you can understand junk from truth and if the blue paul was just a simple question. Remember dogs were named for region, and function.. True working dogs traditional in form are the best dogs no matter the breed. Its just American Pit Bull Terriers can whip any dog at what it was bred for and then whip the dog when he's done.. (Howard Heinzl) memorize the vitage APBT library and gain all the book knowledge and experience possible, have your folks take you on road trip and go check out some kennels or yards.
Bulldogs are amazing though, They are so powerful and strong but there are many being overbred to be sloppy lazy dogs instead of being those hard working athletic dogs that they used to be

Have We Overbred Bulldogs? | Cesar Millan

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If foundation of creation was all that determined a breed than that is all there would be.. For instance, there is a reason the BMC (Black Mouth Cur) is not considered an APBT or a Bulldog for that matter, even though its foundation Curs..

Function is all there is, without it look at the AKC for your examples of when removed.. Are these the same animals their name suggests? Big hell no buddy.

The irony in "Blues" is that traditional stock is not bred for color rather ability, though the color "blue" has been thought of as a cur.. Cold dog, useless for a matching dog.. Useless for traditional intended use. If it is confusing, take a look at a high end Bulldog.. Look at a "blue" dog bred similarly, however just so happens to be. Set 'em loose on prey, see what comes of it.. Not easy, do some deer or brute boar known for killing hounds, look at your big cats or your wolves. A legal challenge depending on your area, THIS sums it all up in a nutshell. I've never ran across a "blue" dog that had the same mentality, will and ability as not and for reason, genetics. VERY VERY rare do you read or hear through history otherwise, however there is ALWAYS one that had done greater all around.
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I think they're talking about fake bulldogs hahaha I kid I kid. but I think they mean olde bulldogs, french bulldogs, english bulldogs, etc. When most people think of the term bulldog those are the breeds that come to mind and to those breeds the article refers.
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