Originally Posted by Saint Francis
Is this the Bull-and-Terrier(small/agile) cross you are referring to? I realize the the history is murky and few theories exist. Original bulldog? etc.
The man Hinks, got his all white pups and some all red from a litter that went on into the APBT
strain on this side of the ocean at the same time. He show bred his dogs and the propaganda of the bull terrier well is just that. Because dog names were being changed people who wanted to show their dogs could have no  affiliation and many were coming to America; propaganda builds a lot of tributary truths that are all really one river much like the Amazon. The confusion is the slang terms applied to the dogs, as we all have seen Colby and ConFeely Game Bull Terriers.. which was just slang term for the dogs. Colby, Lightener, and other old timers we see referred to them as bulldogs in the common tongue. Unless it was a Ch then they'd use the term Pitbull, just by common tongue.
The original bulldog from England is the Bull and Terrier as we know it to be; the oldest from England, Ireland, and before they arrived they're were spanish bulldogs already here (Florida/Alabama by way of Colombus times) this would be the old family of bulldogs that were large and red because they were direct decendants of the fighting dog of Gaul. (which is why Eddington did what he did, which a whole different story) .. The Confusion is to some in that old world depending on your language and region is what you called the dog. OFRN is the oldest strains that were already here blended with Colbys oldest strains. OF are the dogs that go back pre colby and there are a few, ironically from the south alabama florida area and were more bulldog in dna factor than irish or even the english dogs. Between books and pedigrees you can see where they all merge and diverge.
yes the original bull and terrier is the original bulldog the english version as teh original bulldog of england was the pit bulldog that when inbred created the pit terrier that went back into the pit bulldog and became the Bull and Terrier the wide spread bulldog. Old Family goes back to Spanish dogs they had no terrier or fastlane .. they were all bulldog and game to the core.
its simple.. what is fastlane today was terrier back then. Terrier doesn't even mean to tear the ground rather it means it has tenacity. To those back when in england and early settlers they knew the meaning of terrier as tenacity its the under educated populous and propagand that changes how we understand the meaning of words. The first terriers came from the fighting bulldog inbred and they bred those lil terriers to everything to create other forms of terriers. 16th century to 18th century late in the 18th early 19th century "game" replaced terrier in the reference of how we use the lingual term "Game" today. SIMPLY they used Terrier to show the dog had tenacity and many cases there is NO terrier blood in the strain or even the dogs. One more function term, that people get confused with breed term.
irish dogs were light fastlane thus extreme terrier type dogs, English dogs were fast lane bulldogs that like todays APBT
could be bred to go more terrier or more bulldog. A lot of dead game dogs are more bulldog and a lot of kill dogs are more terrier. Take this and compare to your fastlane and dead game dogs and kill dogs. Compare these dogs size and structure to early game bull and terriers of JP Colbys day and before. The best are the perfect 50/50, just like today a 50/50 working/fastlane cross
Those genes of those OF dogs from the south well they are strong and altered everything they touched back in the day thus all the crosses and reverence to the OF strain.
Prime example is Gr Ch Banjo.. Someone honored the old family blood they gatherd from Carver and plugged the pieces in, in all the right places. This is a prime example of an original bulldog.
ONLINE PEDIGREES ::  :: COY'S BANJO (5XW)
Follow the ped back to foundation.. There is some OLD blood in this dog.
blue pauls were dogs associated with the scotts as they immigrated(but they did't immigrate with dogs to different from england or ireland) and before them the spanish pirates. Ironic.. again the Spanish. So see there are hints of truth in all the bull
propaganda however without a keen eye to pedigree and historical research most will just be muck. Most likely it was a APBT
bandog cross. Something with such a legend should have scottish or spanish people who have been breeding the blue paul for some time. There isnt. Its a concept term at most associated with a dog of the past to give a scatterbred dog merit.