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Old 01-17-2013, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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For as long as I remember having dogs we have always crate trained them. I started of Guinny in the same way. However, she's not taking to it very well. For the most part I've always been told that dogs do not go potty where they have to sleep, and mostly it works. Guinny, on the other hand, blows up every night!!! I work third shift so I'm at home with her all day. Originally I was feeding her when I got off in the morning and then again when I woke up in the afternoon...around 3ish. I don't have to be at work until 10! I figured in that amount of time she would have time to poop it all out! Apparently she didn't and kept making a mess so I tried to feed her all at one time by no later than 11 am. Still, nothing. She not only makes a mess she kicks it everywhere! Is it just because she's still young? We've had small puppies before and they may have occasionally made a mess in the crate, but it wasn't an everyday occurrence and it seems as though she's almost playing in it! She's done it everyday except for one for the past two weeks since I've brought her home! Does anybody have any advice?!?!
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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How big is the crate, and how big is your dog?
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In these cases I would question where the pup came from.
By that I mean, did you see the living conditions pup came from?
My brother once got a pup from a guy and it did same thing. And he came to me.
As soon as I saw the pup I knew it had worms, and I asked where he got it.
I went to the breeder and asked to see pups.
It took a half hour because he had to clean them! It still smelled like crap. And they were still dirty!

While pups naturally abhor crap in sleeping are, some have it forced upon them. So they get used to it.
It will just take extra time. My brother took the pup back at my advice.
But this just one example....and this pup was sick.

I free feed my indoor dog(and outdoor dogs), since he was a pup, and he NEVER went in house or crate.
When I was working third shift, ten start time, I pulled food at seven.
But by free feeding the pup will reach its full potential. And avoid the "wild dog" instincts.
This is when they get defensive of food, because it not always there for them.
They also eat up to 25% less this way, which saves money and time cleaning up yard.
Never had a problem with this method, but to each their own.
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Also, for anyone getting a pup, how are the eyes? Are they yellow? Bad health.
Is the skin tight and rough? Pull the back of scruff and see if it drops quick or not.
If it is slow, pup is dehydrated.
Are the teeth yellow? This shows pup lacks the needed nutrients. Can effect entire life if not caught early.
But bad eyes are signs of a pup destined to have health issues.

Just a few things to consider when getting a pup....
If there are no problems in these areas, then it just a stubborn pup, LOL.
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How old is your dog? A puppy might not be able to last in the crate as long as an older dog.


Be careful of free feeding. It can cause a fat dog quick.

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How old is your dog? A puppy might not be able to last in the crate as long as an older dog.


Be careful of free feeding. It can cause a fat dog quick.

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Hmmm....how can that happen when they actually eat less when free fed?

When free feeding they NEVER eat the whole dish at once...
First sign a dog has "wild instincts" is when they eat whole dish of food one after another.
Why? Because they don't know, at that moment, when they will get their next meal.

Sorry to the OP....I'll end this subject here.
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does he have blankets in the kennel? we had to take the blankets out of the kennel because ours was having accidents at the beginning, he was a rescue so we didn't know his background. i hated not having blankets but we haven't had a problem since.


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Old 01-17-2013, 11:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
 

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She is 8 weeks old now. She goes in the crate around 930 when I leave for work and I'm back home around 630. She's perfectly healthy, hydrated, bright eyed, and super sharp pearly whites. I was putting a towel in there to begin with and I thought that's what was making her mess in there because she could just cover it up. I took the towel out and the first night she was without a towel she didn't mess. I haven't put the towel back in there, but she has messed in the cage every night since then.
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could the cage be to big? maybe she cant hold it very long yet, shes still pretty young, could someone you trust let her out once? i know its an odd time...maybe someone could puppysit for awhile at night for you.


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omg i almost knocked myself out with face palms between the OP and Geomen.

1) OP your puppy is 8 weeks... if you follow the standard rule of thumb for realistic expectations on a puppy you take the number of months the puppy is and ad 1 for how many hours you can expect the puppy to hold it's bladder/bowels anything more than that if you're lucky to have a pup that will try to hold it longer will cause UTIs and intestinal tract infections.

8 weeks = 2 months
2 months = 3 hours.

2) Geonom it is actually DISCOURAGED to free feed a bulldog for several reasons.
A) they are prone to their stomachs flipping durring hard work outs.
B) Most bulldogs will continue to eat until they die. You are blessed with a dog that doesn't follow "nature"
C) a hungry dog makes a good working dog. if you always give into your bulldog and give him/her what she wants all of the time you create an atmosphere in which you allow your bulldog to run the show instead of you. Please keep that in mind the next time your dog takes off after a squirrel or a cat and you can't break your dogs focus.
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Thank you so much for your input! I've now put her in a slightly larger crate so if she has an accident at least she's not in it...before she was making the most awful mess and then kicking it everywhere and she'd be covered. Considering that I would not wana be covered in my own stuff I didn't really like the idea of my baby being covered in hers! She's actually doing really well in her larger crate and hasn't had an accident in it yet, but we've been more consistent in getting her outside to go potty more often. I work in a plant which makes it impossible for me to get home at night to let her out so I have enlisted the help of a friend that CAN clock out and leave on breaks and hes kind enough to run to let her out for me!
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