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Old 02-09-2013, 01:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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tips for starting a bandogge program

I have recently became interested in American bandogge mastiffs after having strictly pits for a long time. I think bandogges are a growing breed and I would like to contribute to that. I want to start my own bloodline of bandogge. I currently have a blue male 50% cane corso 50% bully pitbull and a all white female American bulldog. I plan to breed these two for my foundation blood. I will keep a puppy from that litter and breed that puppy with a neo mastiff and go from there. I am adding the American bulldog to sort of replace the pitbull. Any tips,ideas,comments or any in depth breeding guides are encouraged
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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tips for starting a bandogge program

I am not a breeding experts and there are others who will chime in but there is no such thing as a bully pitbull. There are apbt, ambully, am staff, but no bully pitbull. More than likely you have an American Bully. If you post up peds of your dog others can help you to tell what exactly you have.


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Why do you want to breed? Do you work your dogs? Show them? What makes them worthy of being bred?


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Old 02-09-2013, 03:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
 

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I'm sorry I didn't say it right. I do know that an American bully is not a pitbull.
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Breeding of dogs with the ultimate goal we call "purpose". This is not something that you throw 2 dogs together just because you own them. You need to understand the genetics and traits or you're just breeding mixes or mutts, and they are not anything you will be able to pass off as a pet. So be prepared to cull....ALOT!
I can sit here and explained the crosses all day long but I will leave it up to you to do the research yourself. It can't compare to the little I actually know. There is tons of bandogge stuff here at gp, but I suggest you look into Dr. Swinford and his dogs. In today's standards, I think Chimera kennels has the exact recipe for the ultimate dog.He has shared tons of info and pics here. You may have to earn yourself access the the private forums for more advanced education but for now there's plenty of info in the public areas of the forum.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
 

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My dogs have not been showed or anything yet. The male is only 8 months old and the female is 4 months old this is all for the future but my bandogge was bred by a local breeder not a backyard breeder or someone who just threw two dogs together. Both parents are great temperament and dad has been showed and I plan on registering him with the uca. My American bulldog is nkc registered with access to her pedigree beyond just her parents. So yes I plan to show eventually.
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Yes I am prepared to do extensive research before I do anything. I am not putting them together because I own them. I bought both of them with breeding already in mind. I've already started to do research and have plenty of time before the dogs are old enough
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your gonna add to many different dogs and have a hell of a time isolating traits and basically everything will be a scatterbred mess.. American Bulldogs by way of Johnson took to many years to get all quirks out because he crossed in ENglish Bulldog, which is a pug mix of the 17th century and not a bulldog) and he crossed in the Mastiff (which in origin was a 125lbs Pit bull like chain dog, thus BOUND dog Bandog/Bandogge..) If you put Bandog in the search box, you can find a good amount of info here on GPB.

There are already BLue Bandogs and they are Swinford Blues or Swinford Bandog... Infused and created by the Veterinarian Dr. Swinford who used Carver for his source of APBT blood. THey tested his stock just like you would game dogs before 1976.

Chimera has Sentry Dogs which are Bandogs of this era bred at there finest.. They are APBT by way of Sorrells and a smidge of Hammonds(perhaps) with Tosa.. He has very fine bandogs and the best your gonna get..

If you want to get into bandogs.. then sterilize your two dogs.. and start with bandogs.. You have no idea the genetic slop you will get when crossing those two.. I can tell you thats how those Hippo like XL bullies come about that and breeding with whopper dogs..

Whopper is a APBT bloodline that is DDB influxed.. It was a import of now extinct blood for the DDB and the cross back into game dogs created awesome beasts and freaks of nature.. Most people dont know how to breed it or what they have so there is alot of whopper slop out there and a lot of OFRN dogs all slopped up with whopper traits. Whopper is a bandog as well and there are some fine whopper dogs in Oklahoma given you a 110-125lbs APBT Hulklike bandog or bulldog.. Bulldog for game and quarry, Bandog for men and quarry.. I've bred whopper up to 125lbs and down to 35lbs all off the same stock.


Work defines these animals outside of DNA and well when we say DNA or Blood.. we mean the ENTIRE package, mental stability, agility, intelligence, heart lungs, etc... and you dont know any of this until you work your dog to its breaking point much like alaskan sled dogs...


You can breed your dogs if you want, its a free country.. just when the offspring turn out an bite someone be sure you say you have MUTTS and DO NOT even USE the TERM PIT BULL.. Be sure to say they are a mix breed or mutts because thats what they are. Without a pedigree of genuine origin with the dogs, your two dogs are simply just bulldogs themselves... NOthing less.. nothing more..

As a breeder if you can't keep them all, you shouldn't be breeding.. Because its a good chance you could end up keeping half and responsible for rehousing the others as they cause problems for their owners..
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Unless your breeding for a working purpose you shouldn't be breeding. Just more mutts to go to shelters. As far as breeding bandogs my understanding you should start with one cross perfect it then possibly add something later. If not as said you will have a hell of a time with consistency. You can have mutts and still have consistency just knowing the gentics on every cross what it throws and then learning what those crosses throw together its all trial and error if your starting fresh. As Stan said if you want a bandog go to a reputable bandog breeder then you will prevent yourself from dealing with the genetic slop as he said.
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Bandogs are for WORKING purpose, unless you have a working purpose and have been working with bandogs for at least 5 years, but 10 would be better, then do not try to breed dogs. Just mixing mixed bred dogs together doesn't make a bandog. It makes a mutt, nothing more nothing less.

You base a foundation off of dogs that have been proven successful, not just whatever 2 dogs you have.

Breeding dogs is not a game and something to do for fun. It should have purpose and produce dogs that fit that purpose. Claiming that you want bandogs is not a purpose.
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Everyone has given u sound advice so far. And I don't want to just repeat all that so I will say this... its safe to say all those dogmen of old who "created" a bloodline, did not set out to do that. They set out to breed the best damn dog they could for their purpose at hand. Weather that's the [], the hunt or the show. They picked a direction of purpose and went for broke!
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I have recently became interested in American bandogge mastiffs after having strictly pits for a long time. I think bandogges are a growing breed and I would like to contribute to that. I want to start my own bloodline of bandogge. I currently have a blue male 50% cane corso 50% bully pitbull and a all white female American bulldog. I plan to breed these two for my foundation blood. I will keep a puppy from that litter and breed that puppy with a neo mastiff and go from there. I am adding the American bulldog to sort of replace the pitbull. Any tips,ideas,comments or any in depth breeding guides are encouraged
I talk to one of my buddy's every once and a while an he breeds them. I asked him about cane corso pitbull mixes and he told me that you shouldn't cross cane corsos into the mix because its a banndogge of its own. Does it make sense?


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I agree with everything above...but wanted to add, I thought that bandogges were made for working purposes...hunting, schutz, etc.
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Yes I am prepared to do extensive research before I do anything. I am not putting them together because I own them. I bought both of them with breeding already in mind. I've already started to do research and have plenty of time before the dogs are old enough
I'm not knockin you, I'm trying to give you the basic tools to give you the best results in something that has been failed at a billion times. Your dogs are young so you have plenty of time to make good decisions.
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