i thought this was kind of crazy(peta bodybag) - Page 2 - Go Pitbull .com

rgrande (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 06:41 AM

I'm sorry, did you even read the opening lines to my reply?
I know what PETA does, and I do not agree with their actions.
BUT I do agree with what they stand for.
I am aware that PETA kills many animals, and I think it should end.
But they have been successful in reducing animal abuse around the world, too.
By no means, just so we get this clear for the third time, do I support those 90% statistics of animals they kill.

And you're right, "dumb shit" was probably not appropriate but the original poster attacked PETA for being ethical.
But I won't say anything about "ignorant" because that is what they are. They are ignorant to the fact that buying animals kills abandoned ones. Do you even know the real definition of "ignorant?" It means uneducated.
So there is a nice grammar lesson for you, before you criticize my diction.

pitbulllover27870 · 10-02-2008, 06:43 AM

ok how did i attack peta? all i did was post an article on something that they did.. never said i support abusing animals or puppy mills. just thought it was kind of crazy that they did something like this... but anyway..you might want to make in introduction before you start bashing on people

kvndvn6 (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 09:42 AM

Ok..look people..to attack someone that is new to the group is rude. oh man..she said shit...let's stone her! what are you guys 5? grow the up! i'm just saying this is america...you may not like it..but we're allowed to use foul language! now..you sign up to post a few things about your favorite breed of dog and all of that fun, exciting shit..i'm just going to say that if you follow rules that tell you that you can not use foul language in a forum..you are a very boring person. In fact, i am sure that you have no excitement in your life. and everyday you come home and cream in your pants to the thought of pitbull discussions on your little forum. Calm down! rgrande has every right to state her opinion..even if it means that she uses some vulgar language..which most Americans use on a day to day basis. So, grow up and if you can't.. keep your mouth shut. I'm sure this is my first and last post. =) have a nice day, .

esmith (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 09:48 AM

you are all ganging up on rgrande by failing to see the logic in her post. she has a point and sadly enough peta has tried to get the attention of the general public but you are all too ignorant to the facts to care. i will not defend peta on every account... i believe in what they stand for but i think their actions are terrible and unethical at times. but i believe this ad sent some shock into pitbulllover. am i right? it seems a terrible thing to think of dogs in body bags. but millions of animals are euthanized every year because people won't adopt them. people become obsessed with buying pure bred dogs. but what most people fail to realize is that not only are the mothers that are used for breeding abused and sick and decrepit but a lot of times there is inbreeding in these puppy mills which makes for not so healthy or smart and responsive pets. and when people have pets like that they tend to get annoyed and give them up... then they end up in a shelter and eventually put down. also... the conditions of most breeders facilities is less than satisfactory when it comes to cleanliness... a lot of puppies are sick and die within months of being bought. rgrande's point is... why buy when there are so many loving animals out there that need to be adopted. the more you buy pure bred animals from breeders and puppy mills the more you support the killing of animals. it breaks my heart everyday to think how many loving pets are out there and will never have the chance to have a home. i adopted my dog milo over a year ago now... i have no idea what breeds he is mixed with (i have my guesses) but i don't care. he is the sweetest dog i have ever had... he is so loving and happy with his new home... what if i had never found him and he was put down? it's so sad to think that way but there are so many animals that are put down every year because of people always wanting pure bred puppies.

i know you don't appreciate rgrande attacking you but she is a person who is just as hurt as i am to think of all the animals being put down right now because people like you guys are keeping breeders and puppy mills in business.

pitbulllover27870 · 10-02-2008, 10:11 AM

y are brand new people jumping into this post? how bout an intro?

esmith (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 10:27 AM

i see no point in an introduction. i was researching some things and found this post and saw everyone attacking someone who had a good point. i love all animals and i love pitbulls and i think peta is a terrible organization when it comes to following through with their beliefs... but i also believe in what i said... and that is... people should NOT buy animals... you love pitbulls you say and there are hundreds if not thousands is shelters right now because their pitiful previous owners couldn't deal with them. you should adopt them instead of buying more and supporting evil.

chic4pits · 10-02-2008, 11:01 AM

*shakes head* u know i'll never understand peta...there's better ways of getting your point across...

Mrs_APBT_America · 10-02-2008, 11:04 AM

I feel like this is all the same person IMO, only because they all seem to know rgrande is a HER and because they are all new w/o introductions. Same EXACT views and attacking points, but that is just MO! They talk about not attacking rgrande when they were attacking pitbulllover. Well I am sorry if I am gonna stick up for a member who has been here alot longer and has been kind throughout their stay unlike some people on this forum that start their bashing without an intro!!

On another account, I wish this person would quit assuming that the majority of APBT owners always buy from breeders. I for one adopted my full blood registered APBT for free from someone on a spay contract, no problem. Just because she wasn't from a shelter doesn't make anything wrong. Big whoopy on her papers, that is just a plus! I just love that I got a new family member to add. My girl is now spayed and the happiest dog ever!

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people should NOT buy animals... you love pitbulls you say and there are hundreds if not thousands is shelters right now because their pitiful previous owners couldn't deal with them. you should adopt them instead of buying more and supporting evil.

I feel some people pay good money to know they got a great deal and that means temperment, confirmation, and so they can show and do events. If you go to a shelter, they sometimes don't even know the background history on a dog, especially a APBT therefore certain people can be a little wary on the idea! Also I adopted my girl for free, paid $40 on her spay and $7 for her rabies. I don't agree with some shelters charging $85 for a pet adoption and then when no one comes to get that dog they just euthanize him/her which cost even more money! Why not lower the price and all to around maybe $45? Don't get me wrong, I totally think alot more people should adopt from shelters but I think attacking the people that don't is wrong!! The majority of great breeders know there dogs! They know the history, temperment, health, etc. that some shelters wouldn't even begin to tell you on their dogs! Everyone has their own opinion on what they look for in a dog! I personally prefer to adopt but others prefer to know what they have by buying from a breeder so quit attacking them!!! Also that remark I made about the shelter charging an $85 adoption fee, well that is the shelter in my area. I feel they are overpriced and when I look at their dogs, the majority of them look sick and depressed, have kennel cough, etc.. I understand they charge so much for the cost of keeping the animals but if they also lowered the fees just a little I am sure more people would want to adopt and the animals wouldn't have to stay in so long! Well anyways, I hope everyone has a wonderful day!!

pitbulllover27870 · 10-02-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs_APBT_America

I feel like this is all the same person IMO, only because they all seem to know rgrande is a HER and because they are all new w/o introductions. Same EXACT views and attacking points, but that is just MO!

i feel it's the same person 2

esmith (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 01:48 PM

It's not the same person... I will tell you the truth though... i am rgrande's sister and kevdev is her boyfriend... we all share the same views and that's that.

As for you Mrs_APBT_America I am glad that you adopted and didn't buy from a breeder. But you are against how high adoption fees are and for how much some breeders charge for their animals... hundreds up to a thousand or more... that makes no sense whatsoever. I am against ANYONE who buys a dog from a breeder. I don't care what their reasons are. Why do you think shelters don't have info on their dogs... uh it's because they find them or they are left there for them when people just drop them off... how are they supposed to get backgrounds on abandoned and stray dogs... I understand this specific forum is about Pitbulls and I love pitbulls and I think peta's stand on pitbulls being euthanized to attempt to stop dog fighting is utterly ludicrous. But what I am saying and I know rgrande was trying to say was there are too many animals out there that don't have homes and get euthanized while there are more and more and MORE animals out there being bred for pure profit. It's crap.

And as for your comment on the sanitary situation of some kennels and shelters you are correct in your observation of them but many puppy mills are in the same state if not typically worse.

Also, everyone's comments about criticizing us about not introducing ourselves is just stupid. We are discussing a serious topic and although it started as serious bashing... we are all dealing with passionate people with way different opinions... so to criticize us for not making introductions instead of giving a decent rebuttal... don't even bother. I told you who we are. Rgrande is a huge animal lover and activist and vegetarian. She researches day in and day out about the bad things that are going on in the world against animals and joins whatever she can and does whatever she can to help put it to an end. This includes the fact that there isn't enough adopting and there are too many people breeding for profit while beautiful sweet and loving animals are put down.
As for kevdev... he said what he wanted to say in defense of his girlfriend and reaped the consequences of his language by getting kicked off of the forum. As for me... I am rgrande's sister and her and I believe in the same values that all animals deserve to be treated as an equal life to humans. Animals should not be for prizes or money... they are companions in every way. And this obsession with pure bred animals has helped boost the "conveyor belt" breeders who don't care about the animals and care about money. And you have your occasional professional breeders who aren't trashy and horrid, but they are still in it to make money while millions of animals are killed because of our selfish desires.

This all started about the peta advertisement... and we think that although it's crude and harsh... it got the point across... which I have to admit... is one of the few decent things they have done. Well, we believe it was decent. It didn't hurt anyone and it brought forth the reality of the situation...

pitbulllover27870 · 10-02-2008, 01:59 PM

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Mrs_APBT_America · 10-02-2008, 02:07 PM

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And as for your comment on the sanitary situation of some kennels and shelters you are correct in your observation of them but many puppy mills are in the same state if not typically worse.

I totally am 100% with you on this. I believe there are way to many byb's and puppy mills and it sickens me BUT I don't think that all professional or reputable breeders are in it for the money! Some yes, but not all! Without breeders with awesome bloodlines, our country would go to a mess with mixes and poorly bred dogs. Don't get me wrong, I love mix breeds, sometimes they are the best dog BUT I also am happy to know that their are people out there that will take it to the extreme to make sure we still have wonderful purebred dogs with great temperments and confirmation from selective breeding!

Anyways, to the 3 of you, welcome and I hope you enjoy it here! Do any of you own any APBTs or mixes or any pets in general? If so I would love to see pictures!

pitbulllover27870 · 10-02-2008, 02:13 PM

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Anyways, to the 3 of you, welcome and I hope you enjoy it here! Do any of you own any APBTs or mixes or any pets in general? If so I would love to see pictures!

yea i welcome you guys as well.. but a tip.. dont join a forum 2 start bashing and starting arguements or you'll end up getting banned

esmith (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 02:34 PM

I know rgrande and myself did not sign up to get banned. Not was it meant to be purely bashing... but more informative in a way. I am older than her so I tend to be a bit more calm. But in the end I think our points were made and thankfully respected.

We don't own any pitbulls. Rgrande has a golden who is very old and very sick. But he was adopted. I have my little milo who I believe is a mix of a brindle french bulldog and a papillion. He is my little baby and I can't imagine why he was given up... he is a little sweetheart. Although he has no loyalty because he will go to anyone who says hi to him. He loves everyone and everyone says they want a Milo in their family.

I have actually always wanted a pitbull. They are beautiful animals and have a horrible rep that angers me beyond belief. How people can blame their breed for attacks instead of blaming their irresponsible and evil owners is beyond me. I once wanted to adopt a blue pitbull from a friend of mine. But in the end my friend kept him which made me happy either way.

But I thank you guys for welcoming us!

kvndvn6 (Got the BAN STICK) · 10-02-2008, 03:11 PM

I'm surprised that I was not kicked out of this forum..but I do have to say, introductions. What is this AA? My name is so and so "Hi so and so" and I own a pitbull..come on..that's weird shit. how about we talk and listen?