back yard breeders is it just the pitbull? - Go Pitbull .com

hell no they wont go · 11-18-2008, 12:26 AM

i know there are bybs for every breed. i also know they do huge damadge to american pitbull terriers every litter they have. well do you think they do that much damadge to other breeds as well besides pitties and other breeds effected by bsl? I mean for one they usually produce pups that aren't up to standard. I mean i never really had a problem with people breeding labs goldens that weren't reputable breeders but then i started thinking why wouldn't it be ok to back yard breed pitbulls but it would be ok for them to do the same for labs. i mean there is not reallly any true justification for it but some points on why they are succesfull could be a family really wants what the back yard breeders call or think are purebreds but families can't afford dogs from reputable breeders and can get a lab puppy for $200 from a byb but then again why get a dog if you can't pay the correct price the dog should be if bred correctly. also some people may be more into mixes and they purposly look for something like a golden husky mix because they really want one. which leads me to this should bybs just be shut down completely or should they just stick to mutts. if they did stick to mutts there is an over population of byb's there would be way too manny mutts like there are way too many poorly bred pits. and if someone really wanted a mutt they could look at a shelter chances are there would be a mix in one shelter with at least one breed in it they like. would bybs be such a problem if there werent so much of them i mean either way i would never call their stock quality but if there werent any bybs at all the dogs that would end up in the shelter would be quality bred dogs (not that other dogs deserve to be in the shelter unless there is a good reason for it). i mean bybs are more for people who want a dog that do not feel the need to spend so much on quality dogs. if it isn't ok for byb's to breed american pitbull terriers is it ok to breed other breeds if those breeds don't have any problems with society and minimal problems with health? what do you think would happen to reputable breeders and there dogs if there werent any bybs would their prices sky rocket because of competition with one another or would they drop or stay the same? would there be less dogs in the pound?

either way i am still very much against them when it comes to breeding american pit bull terriers but a byb for labs doesnt send off a red flag for me but i still feel they are making a bad choice by doing so.

OldFortKennels · 11-18-2008, 01:46 AM

I would say so. Just look at how many variations of the lab there are. I couldnt imagine. Problem is right now the APBT is under the lights so to say, so all the focus is on them and that is were the $$$$ is for the BYB right now. those small toy taco bell dogs get BYB to death as well.

hell no they wont go · 11-18-2008, 01:56 AM

what gets me is i asked a few people this already some responses were they don't affect me or my breed because i havent gotten a dog from a byb weather or not your dog comes from a byb they are still going to have some kind of negative affect on your breed no matter how big or little it is and it kind of bothers me that some people feel just because their dog came from a reputable breeder doesnt mean bybs do damadge on their breed... maybe they took my question the wrong way and thought i was talking specifically about their own dog or maybe they really feel that way and if so i can't make a person change their mind i can only tell them facts and hope they change their mind.

lovethypitbull · 11-18-2008, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OldFortKennels

I would say so. Just look at how many variations of the lab there are. I couldnt imagine. Problem is right now the APBT is under the lights so to say, so all the focus is on them and that is were the $$$$ is for the BYB right now. those small toy taco bell dogs get BYB to death as well.

True, a lot of small breeds are the product of BYBs. Mainly because they all claim to have the tiniest with the biggest eye balls lol.

hell no they wont go · 11-18-2008, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lovethypitbull

True, a lot of small breeds are the product of BYBs. Mainly because they all claim to have the tiniest with the biggest eye balls lol.

yup very true but mostly those dogs aren't bred for any specific purpose in the first place exept for being a lap dog like the boston terrier which is in the none sporting group. but it is a big shame when they do this to small dogs that actually have a purpose! they tend to have a way of making breeds the complete opposite of what they are meant to be.

LoveMyBullies · 11-19-2008, 05:24 PM

I feel like people do not do the reasearch required before breeding. I mean seriously we have a LabraDoodle now! What is that, just another glorified mutt. I have two bostons but they are neutered. In the society we live in $$$ talk, but I have found that alot of the time you are lucky to break even if everything is done right. So this is where BYB come into play. IF you are doing it for the money usually you are only going to hurt the breed and they could end up with bad owners!

american_pit13 · 11-19-2008, 07:15 PM

Also BYB aren't always trying to be breeder just breeding for no good reason. My BFs uncle has a dalmatian/pit/? that he just HAS to breed lol! We don't talk about it when I am over because I start the lectures but this dog has demodex mange and fur problems and has no reason to be bred, but it is a good dog so he wants it bred. He doesn't get it thru his head that just because they are cute and go to homes in the beginning that it doesn't mean they will stay at those homes.

We have a Central Asian Oviach (sp?) and all the employees here at my work want her to have puppies because she is big and cool looking

I have explained over and over that her getting pregnant by a random dog may not even produce pups anything like her. Also that they may have trouble fining homes. They may start in homes but when they get huge and heavy and start eating you out of money people change there minds. I mean come on this is a pretty much rare breed and even they have a rescue.

You can find dogs of all breeds in rescues due to people breeding there dogs thinking that everyone will want a dog just like theres.

Most the time I see that they really just have no idea what they are doing or the consistences it will have and are to pig headed to listen.

Yeah pits have to spot light right now but in the back ground alot of other breeds are also effected hugely. Then you also have all the Snoodles, and Labradoodles, and Puggels and all these new mutts to over breed as well.

chic4pits · 11-19-2008, 10:07 PM

yea there are BYB's everywhere! i think they tend to go with the fads, first it was g'sheps, then rotty's then pinchers..etc..etc..of corse then you have the ones who claim to have the smallest of the small and the tinyest of toys. it's sad what they do to these animals. i dont agree with anything they do simply b/c they are not usually educated in the breed to know enough to breed. but..what can ya do? we can always voice our opinions and make a ripple..

the thing i dont get it, APBT's are this 'vicious' and 'mauling' breed, yet everyone wants to try to cross the APBT with other breeds, why would they do this unless ....wait..that just proves that they are GOOD dogs!
but still...BYB's.....a big NO NO!

LoveMyBullies · 11-19-2008, 11:18 PM

I agree with you, completely. The pit bull is a perfect breed already so why would you wanna ruin it. I did not really plan on breeding mine at first. I love her personality and she has a really good build, extremely intelligent. Our dogs work on our farm so they always have a job to do. I think that BYB usually are just trying to make a quick buck. It is sad to me because they do not care about the potential homing situation and if the person will actually understand the responsibility that comes with having a high energy dog.

bluefamily · 11-19-2008, 11:43 PM

Unfortunately, those that BYB their dogs should also count the number of children they have. Is there a correlation? Maybe all the owners know how to do is breed too !!LOL!! No offense to anyone but my cousin has 6 kids and as many BYB pits! TeeHee!!
But seriously sometimes BYB dogs are accidents or the owners don't know about shows or how to get involved or have the money to do so....Before I had pure bred babies, all I knew how to do was go to the pound. From there all I thought there was to do with a dog was make it behave , to love it until death do us part. I didn't know about papers or shows or titles or anything until I got pure bred dogs with papers. And even then, just because someone has a purebred dog doesn't mean they know the options available to do anything other than to breed.

LoveMyBullies · 11-20-2008, 01:37 AM

What I mean is that the breeders who only breed for money and do not consider the welfare of the dog. I am trying to get into the showing but I have not figured out how yet. So my dog is not titled but she is ADBA registered and has champion parents in her background. But I do feel that a dog should show potential to do more than sit in a backyard.

hell no they wont go · 11-20-2008, 01:55 AM

so if there were no back yard breeders do you think there would be less dogs in the pound or the same amount?

LoveMyBullies · 11-20-2008, 04:40 AM

I really don't know how to answer that. If there are more responsible breeders and owners of coarse there would be fewer dogs in the pound. I think that the BYB needs to realize if their dog is "good enough" to reproduce in the first place. Its what I have heard some people say before when talking about humans: ignorant parents equals ignorant kids. Seriously if we could stop some people from reproducint don't you think it would help our society out some. I am not saying that no one should breed, you should have the knowledge about the breed you are wanting to become involved with. I have to say, if you want to see the saddest thing ever: go to the pound about 3-4 months after Christmas. Look at all the lab puppies that are there because they are not babies anymore and now chew up dads golf club or moms shoes. They are cute at first but if you don't understand the energy requirements then that is what usually happens. Sorry my answer is not very clear but maybe to sum it up: it is not only BYB but the people who do not consider what exactly they are getting, if the breeders educate the buyers on the responsibility then we should have less in the pounds

los44 · 11-20-2008, 07:25 AM

i dont think its just the pitbull though the pitbull seems to get the most publicity. its not the fault of the bybs or breeders in general, its the consumers fault for accepting horribly bred dogs and dealing with inept breeders. people just dont do enough research. im not judging anyone cause ive done it before but i will not make the same mistake again. its been about a year and a half since i started researching for my next companion and i still havent found what im looking for.

theres 2 sides to every story! when i was young about 5ish my uncle got a pitbull. he came from a friend and he was a byb so to speak. he bred nothing but his best dogs and took very good care of them. when he bred which wasnt all the time, like every 2-3 years the pups usually stood within the circle of friends and family. his next litter was when i was about 8ish i remember cause he gave me my first pup princess she came from that litter. the reason i say you can consider him a byb is none of the dogs were papered or at least i never saw any. me personally i dont consider him a byb, as all dogs were taken good care of and went to the best of homes. but i understand that some here would put him in that category.

my point is not every so called byb is a bad breeder and not every ethical breeder is a good breeder. like everything in life do your research, get to know the people you are dealing with.

hell no they wont go · 11-20-2008, 03:24 PM

los44 you are absolutely correct i feel that if people actually researched their breed (assuming it is an american pitbull terrier in this case or better yet any breed at that!) they would realize what poor examples most bybs make of the breed and that may slowly start to put them out of business!

any owner should research ANY breed its only responsible. even if it is a lab just because a lab is the favorit dog of most people doesn't mean the lab is the breed for you infact a lab may be a horriblr breed for someone who gets one just because every one tells them they should maybe that person would be better off with a great dane or something. if people actually learned about breeds before they bought then bybs wouldnt beable to lure them into a false sense of security so easily.

ok for people who would rather have a mutt then a pure bred what do you guys think about this one since there are always going to be bybs do you think they should just stick with breeding mutts for those who want mutts and or can't afford a well bred pure bred dog? i mean to me it seems OK i mean they wouldn't be sellling pure breds...or so called purebreds so it wouldn't really matter what the dog comes out looking like i mean personality is still a biggy but then no one could blame it specifically on a rottie or pit for having the wrong breed personality because it is a mix and the dog could have personalities of both worlds. who knows. im sure there would also be a lot of down sides to breding mutts like that but i say its better then fooling people into thinking they are breeding pure breds who are perfectly fine examples of the breed or are rare in color or something. the problem though that comes to mind with this one is more designer breeds which also have become a problem i mean look at all the designer breeds there are with poodle in the name!!!