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Old 04-12-2011, 04:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Help my dog is knuckling over??

I feed my dog purina beneful puppy food. I think my problem may be that i feed my puppy to much? any help would be apreciated? Thanx to the person that pointed that out to me on my last thread.

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Old 04-12-2011, 05:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Lower protein in the diet. Purina is McDonald's in the dog food world. I'm not good at finding and posting links from other threads, but there are several on appropriate diet and also a few on knuckling over if you use the search option on this forum. I'm also sure that someone will jump in and have fantastic advice for you.
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Pet Food Rating + Comparison Chart <-- This thread is a great reference for different kinds of dog foods. And also remember, pitbulls are not "large breed" dogs, so they should not be fed large breed food as it has too much protein. Ultimately, the best and most beneficial way to feed your dog is raw. Here's a link to that if you are interested... Switching to Prey Model Raw
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if you dont feed raw then blue buffalo is the best
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Yes, your pup is beginning to knuckle. You need to switch to a better quality food.

Knuckling over is caused by the following:
1) a combination of two different types or brands of dog foods - feeding (50/50)
2) the brand or type of food has been changed several times (3-4) times
3) the addition of poor quality vitamins/minerals to a diet (not from whole foods)
4) human foods in amounts enough to disrupt the calcium/phosphorus balance
5) too many calories vs the amount of free exercise they get on a daily bases
6) feeding a pet food that has minerals that are not very available to the body - crude forms
7) diets lacking vital microminerals or trace minerals
8) feeding too much of a good food
9) any or all of the above.
Poor quality diet or too much of a good food, poor footing/slick floors with no rugs, and missing trace minerals are all things that contribute to this problem. The earlier you treat the problem the better chance of correcting it. I have seen a 9 week old pup corrected in about 8 or 9 days because it was caught early. You need balance between calcium, phosphorus, vitamin d and the age - don't experiment.
Too much vitamin D causes issues as well as too little vitamin d so the key is BALANCE.


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wow... i had never actually seen one that bad before.. that looks aweful!!!
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Switch to a better quality food, lower protein is best in this case. Cod liver oil, sunlight, and exercise are extremely beneficial.
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wow... i had never actually seen one that bad before.. that looks aweful!!!
That's only a stage 2. There are 4 stages.
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Knuckling over is first noticed in the area of front leg on a puppy, or the growth plate (wrist or carpal) area. The term coined by professional breeders for this condition is knuckling over, and it describes a condition where the front end assembly of the dog, the weight bearing part of the body, is unable to support the whole body weight of the puppy, due to a lack of integrity in the muscle, tendon and ligaments. It is my opinion this condition is not genetic - it is due to uneven growth pattern between the bone and tissue/muscle of the puppy and it is cause by dietary imbalances and/or missing micro-minerals and/or minerals that are not available to the body - difficult to assimilate.
The condition of " knuckling over", can be very extreme, almost as if the legs are made of some malleable material - like rubber! Early knuckling over - under 8 weeks of age, is not a problem and very common because the large and giant breeds grow quickly during the early stages of development. The real issue with growth problems is the relationship between the intake vs output in calories and the bio-availability of the macro and micro minerals in a food. Knuckling is best corrected at a young age and is often achieved by switching to a low protein, high- quality food.
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great posts lauren , yambeezy there are alot of better foods out there to feed check out the food rating chart and find one that is good quality and affordable for you. no point getting an expensive food if you cant keep it up all month long,ake sure it fits finacially as well, I feed orijen and my dogs love it however it is high in protein so in this case may not be suitable , not all high end foods will be suitable for this case check the protein levels. And follow laurens advice { pitbulmama} she posted some great info for you. looks like you caught this early .
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I Know for a fact that the dog was over fed. This is our first dog and we are still very new to it. I admit we have always left a full bowl of food for him. Im gonna start cutting down the feedings and start looking into other food choices. I heard good things about blue buffalo but im not sure if that would work in my case and my floors are wood there are no rugs

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I Know for a fact that the dog was over fed. This is our first dog and we are still very new to it. I admit we have always left a full bowl of food for him. Im gonna start cutting down the feedings and start looking into other food choices. I heard good things about blue buffalo but im not sure if that would work in my case and my floors are wood there are no rugs
I'm not sure what your hardwood floors and no rugs have to do with anything but you need to get your pup off that beneful terrible dog food like today. You are going to have to gradually switch him over to the better food. In this case I would go with some of the grain free taste of the wild dog foods only because they have foods that are only 24% protein which are fairly low. I feed grain free blue buffalo and my dog does well on it. It is an excellent food. Also you can get a can of 100% pure pumpkin filling for pies and mix a tablespoon into the new food for an easier transition
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Yes, your pup is beginning to knuckle. You need to switch to a better quality food.

Knuckling over is caused by the following:
1) a combination of two different types or brands of dog foods - feeding (50/50)
2) the brand or type of food has been changed several times (3-4) times
3) the addition of poor quality vitamins/minerals to a diet (not from whole foods)
4) human foods in amounts enough to disrupt the calcium/phosphorus balance
5) too many calories vs the amount of free exercise they get on a daily bases
6) feeding a pet food that has minerals that are not very available to the body - crude forms
7) diets lacking vital microminerals or trace minerals
8) feeding too much of a good food
9) any or all of the above.
Poor quality diet or too much of a good food, poor footing/slick floors with no rugs, and missing trace minerals are all things that contribute to this problem. The earlier you treat the problem the better chance of correcting it. I have seen a 9 week old pup corrected in about 8 or 9 days because it was caught early. You need balance between calcium, phosphorus, vitamin d and the age - don't experiment.
Too much vitamin D causes issues as well as too little vitamin d so the key is BALANCE.


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Why does that pups feet turn like that in the first picture? Is it the way he is being held by the scruff of the neck. He looks deformed. I thought knuckling over was just that bump in the wrist of the dog?
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over feeding, crap food are usually the main cause DO NOT FREE FEED! only feed recommended amount i would have to know dog's weight but im sure he doesn't require more than cup a day. switch to a quality food and you should see it start to correct unless of course it's genetic. you don't have to go grain free although i thinkit's best just make sure it is quality and low protein. consult our pet food chart. getting hair done post more later when i get home
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