Not sure whats wrong...

Swag11 · 12-02-2012, 01:42 PM

I started feeding my 6week dog evo 1 cup 3x a day its been 3 days and poops like crazy, and always has the runs, am i feeding to much, or could it be the food i want to switch to acana or orijen but not sure which way to go...any help would be awesome thanks guys!!!

JoKealoha · 12-02-2012, 06:06 PM

3 cups per day of high protein food for a 6 week old is WAY too much.
have you taken the time to read the serving size chart?

BullyGal · 12-02-2012, 07:31 PM

Is it the puppy formula?

Heather1226 · 12-02-2012, 10:08 PM

Puppy's need a higher protein food but it needs to be a puppy formula. If not it doesn't have to other nutrients to balance it out. Or the Evo could just not agree with him.

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JoKealoha · 12-02-2012, 10:31 PM

too much protein for puppies leads to skeletal issues. growth imbalance. specifically knuckling over. evo is like 45% protein. that's too high for puppies. it's actually too high for most adult dogs. i think it's appropriate for working dogs though. foods that are too rich can be hard on a pup's digestive system. especially at 6 weeks old.
i would be more concerned about getting a pup a higher fat content.

BullyGal · 12-02-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JoKealoha

too much protein for puppies leads to skeletal issues. growth imbalance. specifically knuckling over. evo is like 45% protein. that's too high for puppies. it's actually too high for most adult dogs. i think it's appropriate for working dogs though. foods that are too rich can be hard on a pup's digestive system. especially at 6 weeks old.
i would be more concerned about getting a pup a higher fat content.

Exactly

There are puppy formulas for a reason.

PerfectPit · 12-03-2012, 12:05 AM

I don't even feed my 3 y/o 3 cups a day. Until you get control of the issue and transition your pup with the right combination as above. Offer your pup some pure pumpkin (not pumpkin mix). You can find it in the baking isle at your local grocery store. Offer a tablespoon or two in your pups food. It will help firm up his poop plus help with an upset tummy.

Princesspaola21 · 12-03-2012, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JoKealoha

too much protein for puppies leads to skeletal issues. growth imbalance. specifically knuckling over. evo is like 45% protein. that's too high for puppies. it's actually too high for most adult dogs. i think it's appropriate for working dogs though. foods that are too rich can be hard on a pup's digestive system. especially at 6 weeks old.
i would be more concerned about getting a pup a higher fat content.

Exactly! I hear people say all the time about "they need more protein" when they really mean FAT.

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KMdogs · 12-03-2012, 01:55 AM

EVO is piss poor quality since the company got bought out especially, always been relatively cheap in ingredients used.

As to protein, the more appropriate dry kibble is i.e higher amounts of meat the return as how it is processed is higher protein. I have fed high protein diets for years ( 34% +) and not had one dog develop any of the things you hear about.

Knuckling is genetic, high protein can speed up the process of the already underlying fault. Protein doesn't cause knuckling.

JoKealoha · 12-03-2012, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KMdogs

EVO is piss poor quality since the company got bought out especially, always been relatively cheap in ingredients used.

As to protein, the more appropriate dry kibble is i.e higher amounts of meat the return as how it is processed is higher protein. I have fed high protein diets for years ( 34% +) and not had one dog develop any of the things you hear about.

Knuckling is genetic, high protein can speed up the process of the already underlying fault. Protein doesn't cause knuckling.

KM, i've learned alot from your posts. but i'm gonna take the flip side on this one.
knuckling is not genetic. tendon and ligament structure is. so a dog may have genetic predisposition for knuckling. much like a person has a predisposition for say, diabetes. but the onset is brought about by nutritional content. and is corrected by nutritional treatment.
also compounded by environmental issues. puppies should not spend all their time on concrete or other hard surfaces. this increases the strain on front end assembly growth.
but at it's core, knuckling is a dietary issue.

**performanceknls** · 12-05-2012, 01:34 AM

Agreed with some of what is said. Evo is a very rich diet, also it is too high IMO in protein for a pup. 3 cups a day is fine if that is what the little dog will eat. I free feed my pups till about 8 weeks and 3 cups is not outrageous they need it to grow. Puppies will eat more than adults till about 20 weeks then I start bringing it down to about 2 cups or so a day but that is based off the look of the puppy. Do not go by feeding charts that is just BS, dog food companies want your dogs fat! they are in the business of selling dog food! You go by how the dogs looks. Puppies are suppose to be a little chunky but not FAT. A good example is right now I have 2 pups from the same litter and they are 6 months and cut back to 1 cups twice a day. Well my male got bone thin and was pooping too much. That tells me he is not digesting his food correctly so I put him on grain free and he eats 3 cups a day. If he does not look better soon (in 3 weeks) I will put him on a 32% protein and 25% fat high performance food and will up him to 4 cups a day. My point is each dog is different.

Evo IMO is a really rich food that is over priced! Probably why your pup has the runs it's too rich and cannot absorb the food and he has the runs as a result.

Try something like blue buffalo puppy. Good food IMO

I feed Kirkland signature (from costco) puppy food then the adult chicken. For my dogs who need grain free they have natures domain grain free at costco and it's great. All well priced food! For dogs who need more fat I feed diamond naturals high performance food, it has no corn wheat or soy (neither does the costco food) and is 32% protein and 25% fat.

**performanceknls** · 12-05-2012, 01:34 AM

Also make sure you have your vet look at a stool sample and there are no worms

JoKealoha · 12-05-2012, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by performanceknls

Agreed with some of what is said. Evo is a very rich diet, also it is too high IMO in protein for a pup. 3 cups a day is fine if that is what the little dog will eat. I free feed my pups till about 8 weeks and 3 cups is not outrageous they need it to grow. Puppies will eat more than adults till about 20 weeks then I start bringing it down to about 2 cups or so a day but that is based off the look of the puppy. Do not go by feeding charts that is just BS, dog food companies want your dogs fat! they are in the business of selling dog food! You go by how the dogs looks. Puppies are suppose to be a little chunky but not FAT. A good example is right now I have 2 pups from the same litter and they are 6 months and cut back to 1 cups twice a day. Well my male got bone thin and was pooping too much. That tells me he is not digesting his food correctly so I put him on grain free and he eats 3 cups a day. If he does not look better soon (in 3 weeks) I will put him on a 32% protein and 25% fat high performance food and will up him to 4 cups a day. My point is each dog is different.

Evo IMO is a really rich food that is over priced! Probably why your pup has the runs it's too rich and cannot absorb the food and he has the runs as a result.

Try something like blue buffalo puppy. Good food IMO

I feed Kirkland signature (from costco) puppy food then the adult chicken. For my dogs who need grain free they have natures domain grain free at costco and it's great. All well priced food! For dogs who need more fat I feed diamond naturals high performance food, it has no corn wheat or soy (neither does the costco food) and is 32% protein and 25% fat.

i know it depends alot on the dog, but i thought the higher the protein content, the smaller the portions should be. is that wrong?
3+ cups a day of 45% protein for 6 week old puppy... that seems excessive to me. not because i think it makes puppies fat, only because the pup is crapping his brains out.

EDIT: i read your post a little more closely. we are basically saying the same thing. i guess the 3 cups of food is my only concern. i've never had a pup eat that much. but that doesn't mean some puppies do.

**performanceknls** · 12-05-2012, 11:09 PM

I agree the Evo is too rich and hard on the puppy but really it depends on the dog. I have dogs right now that eat 4 cups a day of the 32% protein and 25% fat and the weight only 40-45lbs. Varro is so hard to keep weight on! Then I have others who eat 21% protein and 15% fat and only eat 2 cups a day. It all depends on the look of the dog and what you need to adjust too. I think this pup is not retaining the nutrition it's putting in and why it has the runs. Puppies do poop a lot anyway but my feeling is the food is too rich and going right through the pup.