PeanutsMommy

Okay I am looking around on the dog food analysis website and for curiosity i am looking at the 1 star dog foods....I know AAFCO has standards set but how are some of these foods even on the market??? I feel so bad for the dogs that have to eat these foods...no nutritional values at all....how can they manufacture these foods and get away with it....if the health of the dogs is not their main focus why not make some other type of products? the common consumer who does not know how to read dog food labels is not going to know they are feeding their dog fillers and junk and some ingredients of "unknown origins" just because the food is cheaper (i dont blame people for trying to shop and save money) but no wonder so many animals have cancer and various other dieases....i just dont understand how dog food companies are still getting away with selling such a poor quality food. can someone please explain this to me??

the website i am refering to is the following:

Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

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Sydney

they do it all for the all mighty dollar! They (pet food companies) don't care if they are using rendered animals as there source of protein...as long as they make more money doing it!

BTW rendered animals are anything from euthanized animals to road kill...I have read, not saying it is 100% true (cause I don't know), but that dogs and cats are building up a tolerance to sodium pentobarbitol(what they use to PTS) because they are ingesting it in their foods.
It also can cause early kidney failure...which is one of the most common problems old pets face these days, I recently (3 years ago) had to put down my cat, Tuesday, of 18 years due to kidney failure...not saying he didn't live a long life, but if I hadn't been feeding him the cheapest food I could find, would he have lived longer?? He was still very spunky til the end.

This is from the FDA, they try to make you feel better about the situation, but they admit to the use of rendered euthenized animals:
Risk From Pentobarbitol

Rendering Plants

Euthenized Pets in Food??


Kinda makes you ask yourself..."Just what do they do with the 3 million dogs and cats euthenized in shelters every year???"

PeanutsMommy

that makes me so sick to read that, i wish there was a way to WHAT companies accepted those kinds of "protein" sources. that is really disturbing and that even the FDA knows that and apparently its "okay" i have always trusted what the FDA says with human products. if they know that euthanized dogs and cats and whatever else ends up in pet food and its okay and they post it on their website but dont annouce it on the 5 o clock news...how should we trust them human prodcuts are 100% safe?
i have to say thank you Sydney for that horrifying information that made me want to throw up at 6:30 am I am glad to know that though. i spend alot of time trying to research dog foods and i didnt even know that. i wonder if i wrote my dogs food company and asked for full information of what their sources are if they would give it to me?

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just imagine what other feeds they use rendered meats in, just for disposal purposes(cows, horses, and pigs to name a few)...and those meats in turn then end up on our tables...not to mention the last time I checked horses and cows were herbivores...

here is a little more food for thought:
What's really in pet food

I have usually when they fail to mention what the ingedient is like just saying "by-products" or "protien source" that is where they aren't exactly lying to you, but aren't telling you the whole truth...next time you are in a pet store grab a couple bags and really read...you'll see this alot!

PeanutsMommy

okay i have read all those articles and i am horrified i went on my dogs food blue buffalo wilderness and they give a break down of the ingredients and what they are used for and the meats are approved by the USDA so i feel better about my dogs food but that still doesnt mean dog food doesnt creep me out....the other 2 dogs in my house eat iams and my family wont make the change i feel so bad for those dogs...i am going to give my family this information but i doubt it will help its a financial reason they get iams....thank you again Sydney for all the information I still cant beleive this is a known problem yet it is accpeted and continues to take place

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there is more information then you could imagine supporting this claim...here is an article that describes what exactly the poor quality grades of meat involve, and I have added the link to the website where the information was taken...look around it has a lot of other good information too IMO

Dog Food Project

Meat & Bone Meal
AAFCO: The rendered product from mammal tissues, with or without bone, exclusive of any added blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.

The animal parts used can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), goats, pigs, horses, rats, misc. roadkill, animals euthanized at shelters and so on. It can also include pus, cancerous tissue, and decomposed (spoiled) tissue.

Sampsons Dad

Along with the commentary I would like to see some footnote or bibliography that backs the claims of some of those comments.
Also who runs DFA? Who are their editors? What are their qualifications?
I ask these questions because I have learned to be very picky about whos advice I take. Often times people who give advice are less qualified than I am. In example I would not tell some one that thus and such is bad for the dogs health unless there is some proof to back that statement.
If the "expert opinion" is not backed by research...it is just theory with no substance. Perhaps right, perhaps wrong.
For all we know the food at the 5 star list may have paid for such a spot. I doubt this is the case but without solid research to prove the claims made... I'd take it all with a grain of salt.

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Sydney

I dunno who runs the Food and Drug Administration, but I am gonna go out on a limb and say they are more qualified then you...and it disturbs me that they casually admit to it, but make it seem like it's no big deal....don't be mad cause Science Diet really does use garbage

there are plenty of non-profit organizations out there to support this claim...so like you said take it with a grain of salt.

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PeanutsMommy

here is the address and phone number for the veterinary medicine side of the FDA.

U. S. Food and Drug Administration
Center for Veterinary Medicine
7519 Standish Place
Rockville Maryland 20855-0001
(240) 276-9300 or 1-888-INFO-FDA


here is the website:

Center for Veterinary Medicine Home Page

sampsons dad you can go there yourself and even give them a call and ask them for their credentials. they are not posting "opinions" they research foods and drugs and their saftey. this is the same FDA that approves human products just the veterinary side. the FDA is backed by the government.

to state that the 5 star foods are paying for a spot there is plain dumb. If you look at the ingredients on 5 star foods and those on say the 3 star foods there is a big difference. the reviews are pretty spot on and un biased.

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Sampsons Dad

The DFA website is not the same as the FDA so I don't see anywhere where the person posting reviews on the DFA has credentials posted.
As far as saying my comment is dumb...disregard it if you'd like. My opinion is valid to me no mater what you may think about it.

FDA is not the parent site...
"our parent site BoxerWorld.com "
So what does the review have to do with the FDA?

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Sydney

What are you talking about....

Home page...
U S Food and Drug Administration Home Page

Report...
FDA/CVM Report on the Risk from Pentobarbital in Dog Food

no "boxerworld" or whatever....this is fda.gov

Sampsons Dad

There is a great control that allows actually stops me from seeing certain peoples posts and its awsome!...lol
But anyway I looked all over the DFA website and have not seen anywhere where the FDA ranks foods or authorises those reviews. So I dont see how FDA credentials have anything to do with the DFA wesite. So in short my dogs are healthy and happy...and the DFA has nothing to do with the FDA.

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Sampsons Dad

DFA website plainly states "Welcome to Dog Food Analysis! Your independent site for dog food information and reviews."
"For those who'd like to discuss dog food products, have general nutrition questions or experiences to share, a link to the forum of our parent site BoxerWorld.com is included (owners of breeds other than boxers are welcome)."
"DogFoodAnalysis is a part of BoxerWorld.com"

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