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Old 11-05-2012, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hi my name is James and I just recently adopted a new pitbull puppy from a local breeder. I have a couple of questions in regards to the pup I just adopted. The breeder told me he was the first pick of the litter and he was the biggest. He claims the puppy was born Aug. 25 which would put him at a little over 2 months. His mother was a 100% razors edge bloodline and father was 75% razors edge and I'm not sure of the other 25%. Ok now to the question, in my opinion the dog is pretty small for being two months old but I would like some other opinions. I'm not exactly sure on the weight but you can refer to the pictures for a better guess.

Secondly, the dog got sick the first day of owning him and was showing all the symptoms of parvo. I immediately took him to the vet (11pm) and had him examined. It cost me $150 to have him seen and tested for parvo. The test came back negative although the doctor said it could be a false negative. He wanted to keep it for the night for liquids and to keep an eye on him. I asked how much that would cost and he told me $700. I decided to just take him home for the night and force feed him pedialyte every hour along with some electrolyte water so he didn't dehydrate. Last night he only threw up once more, and had diarrhea then went to sleep for the rest of the night. I woke him this morning to see how he was and he didn't vomit or have diarrhea. I waited them gave him some water and some hard puppy food mixed with water to soften it up. He ate the whole bowl and was in a lot better condition from what I could tell. The night before he looked like death... (Very pale looking like he would drop dead any minute). As of right now he is still eating and drink and seems to be better. I had a veterinarian come over to check him out and am just going to send him off with him to get treated for parvo even if he seems to be better. (Better safe than sorry). He is charging me $200 total for the treatment and keeping him for the next couple of days just to examine him. Hopefully I get good news sons and all is well. Sorry for such a long post!
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size is hard to judge that pup could be 2 months each grows different. To me he doesn't look underaged meaning I wouldn't think he looks to young to be leaving the litter. I would however watch those front legs , could be the angle of the pics but to me looks like there may be some knuckling starting to happen. { you can use the search button up top and type knuckling in it , there is a good thread on that }.

This vet that is taking the pup can he run another parvo test? those can come back negative , I had a false negative on one of my pup a while back. But if you can get a test that proves what is wrong with the pup , if being parvo the breeder should be having to pay those bills. Parvo has a 10 day incubation period between when they catch it to when symptoms appear, so if a pup you just got from a breeder comes down with it then the pup caught it in there care not yours.

There can be other causes to what you were explaining and to me if he is holding fluids and food down so soon I would be thinking it is NOT parvo, but again a test will tell that. Usually it is a 7 day virus and it gets worse not better until nearly the last day or two. Has the pup been dewormed or any shots done? I would be looking into coccidea which can often be confused for parvo with similar symptoms.
Could also just be from a rapid food change , what was he being fed before and what are you feeding him? Change can take a toll on a young pup , so could just be stress and running off with a vet for treatment on something that he may not even have can be even more stressful , I would want a positive test before I left my new pup anywhere.

As for the breeder saying he is 1st pick, 1st pick does not mean best, alot of breeders will use that as a selling point to get dogs sold. 1st pick only means something if the person making the picks knows what they are looking for and has the right eye to see that, honestly at this age a 1st pick is just a guessing game. Also what 1 person may like in a dog may not be what the next person does.

The parents bloodlines unless you saw the pedigree what they have told you means nothing. Razors edge is one of the biggest known AMERICAN BULLY lines not APBT, so 1st off if anything you have an american bully { if what they told you was true} however being a well known line people without a pedigree will just come up with some line to tell people, bottom line is no papers you most likely have a mix or mutt whatever you prefer to use. { cute one none the less and please don't take it as me being rude. there are many on here with paperless , rescues, shelter dogs, whatever. All are welcome here and all are very much loved by there owners , makes them no less of a dog}.
If the breeders have papers and can provide you with them feel free to post the names on them and we can maybe help to break down the lines better for you.
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Was the puppy checked for worms? I got my puppy off of Craig's List and started getting sick. She had all the signs of Parvo. Took her to the vet for Parvo test and it was negative but the vet said it is probably worms, likely hookworms. The vet dewormed her and I took her home and I did have to force feed her pepto and pedialyte. I also fed her baby food. We thought we were going to lose her. It did happen to be worms and she is a very healthy puppy now. We picked up 2 other puppies off of Craig's List prior to this and lost them to Parvo. Spent over $600 trying to save them. Hope your puppy gets better.
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Angel any thanks for the reply. I haven't found that thread on knuckling but ill continue to search. I figured it would be best to get him treated for parvo even without running another test. Is this going to be harmful at all? He seems fine and if anything else comes up back to the vet he will go. I'm not really sure if the puppy has been dewormed but the vet says that he will treat that and give him the proper vaccines after he starts to get better. What exactly is coccidea and how fatal is it? I'm not sure exactly what the breeder was feeding him and my buddies wife who is the one caring for him while I'm away (I'm in the army) bought some puppy food. I'm not exactly sure what it is either but can find out. He only really eats it if its softened with water. Since my buddy has animals himself his wife is worried that if it is parvo that it can infect their animals. So the reason the vet is going to take him is so he can monitor him until I come back on the 16th. His wife also has a busy schedule and won't be able to care for him like he would need, so that was just another reason. As for the first pick, in his mind the first pick was the biggest and more likely to grow to be real big looking like his father. That is just the type of dogs they like. The parents are ukc registered and do have papers, the puppy came with papers as well and I will be picking them up myself when I get back on the 16th. I didn't take anything you said as disrespectful. I'm just here to get clear information and learn more on how I can make this puppies life as healthy and natural as possible. Thanks again for your reply!

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size is hard to judge that pup could be 2 months each grows different. To me he doesn't look underaged meaning I wouldn't think he looks to young to be leaving the litter. I would however watch those front legs , could be the angle of the pics but to me looks like there may be some knuckling starting to happen. { you can use the search button up top and type knuckling in it , there is a good thread on that }.

This vet that is taking the pup can he run another parvo test? those can come back negative , I had a false negative on one of my pup a while back. But if you can get a test that proves what is wrong with the pup , if being parvo the breeder should be having to pay those bills. Parvo has a 10 day incubation period between when they catch it to when symptoms appear, so if a pup you just got from a breeder comes down with it then the pup caught it in there care not yours.

There can be other causes to what you were explaining and to me if he is holding fluids and food down so soon I would be thinking it is NOT parvo, but again a test will tell that. Usually it is a 7 day virus and it gets worse not better until nearly the last day or two. Has the pup been dewormed or any shots done? I would be looking into coccidea which can often be confused for parvo with similar symptoms.
Could also just be from a rapid food change , what was he being fed before and what are you feeding him? Change can take a toll on a young pup , so could just be stress and running off with a vet for treatment on something that he may not even have can be even more stressful , I would want a positive test before I left my new pup anywhere.

As for the breeder saying he is 1st pick, 1st pick does not mean best, alot of breeders will use that as a selling point to get dogs sold. 1st pick only means something if the person making the picks knows what they are looking for and has the right eye to see that, honestly at this age a 1st pick is just a guessing game. Also what 1 person may like in a dog may not be what the next person does.

The parents bloodlines unless you saw the pedigree what they have told you means nothing. Razors edge is one of the biggest known AMERICAN BULLY lines not APBT, so 1st off if anything you have an american bully { if what they told you was true} however being a well known line people without a pedigree will just come up with some line to tell people, bottom line is no papers you most likely have a mix or mutt whatever you prefer to use. { cute one none the less and please don't take it as me being rude. there are many on here with paperless , rescues, shelter dogs, whatever. All are welcome here and all are very much loved by there owners , makes them no less of a dog}.
If the breeders have papers and can provide you with them feel free to post the names on them and we can maybe help to break down the lines better for you.
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Was the puppy checked for worms? I got my puppy off of Craig's List and started getting sick. She had all the signs of Parvo. Took her to the vet for Parvo test and it was negative but the vet said it is probably worms, likely hookworms. The vet dewormed her and I took her home and I did have to force feed her pepto and pedialyte. I also fed her baby food. We thought we were going to lose her. It did happen to be worms and she is a very healthy puppy now. We picked up 2 other puppies off of Craig's List prior to this and lost them to Parvo. Spent over $600 trying to save them. Hope your puppy gets better.
Thanks I'm still waiting to hear how his droppings look. I'll have him checked for worms for sure as well. Sounds like it could be a good possibility. You have a good looking dog! Glad all is well!
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Oh I see you arent there with the pup, I get it a bit better now. Maybe the vet taking him is best if his wife is really busy, hopefully he wont charge an arm and a leg. When I get a minute I will look for the knuckling thread { could just be the angels of the pics , if it is knuckling it is real early and this is fixable.} . Coccidia is caused from worms and if not treated can be fatal. here is a link for it Coccidia (Coccidiosis) in Dogs: A Cause of Diarrhea . Hopefully all is fine when you return to him.

Also FYI the biggest in the litter may turn out to be the smallest, I have seen runts outgrow the littermates by 10-20 lbs and turn into some of the nicest. Very hard to judge size as a puppy.
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Oh I see you arent there with the pup, I get it a bit better now. Maybe the vet taking him is best if his wife is really busy, hopefully he wont charge an arm and a leg. When I get a minute I will look for the knuckling thread { could just be the angels of the pics , if it is knuckling it is real early and this is fixable.} . Coccidia is caused from worms and if not treated can be fatal. here is a link for it Coccidia (Coccidiosis) in Dogs: A Cause of Diarrhea . Hopefully all is fine when you return to him.

Also FYI the biggest in the litter may turn out to be the smallest, I have seen runts outgrow the littermates by 10-20 lbs and turn into some of the nicest. Very hard to judge size as a puppy.
Well he isn't at the vet itself but one of the vet techs took him in for me after explaining my situation. He has everything to treat him at his house and is only charging me $200 for treatment if something happens and to care for him while I'm gone. More than reasonable price! He says he doesn't suspect worms, there aren't any worms in his stool and all the symptoms are gone for the time being. Nonetheless he has everything at home to treat him if something arises.

I forgot to mention in my first post. The puppy was throwing up some sort of bones which made r believe that while at the breeders house he got into some garbage or something. I think maybe that could have also been a possibility to the symptoms and how he was reacting. He passed all the bones and seems to be healthy. The vet tech says he will continue to monitor him just to be sure.

Hopefully he grows to be as big as his father but if not I'm fine with it. Still going to be a gray looking dog!

Thanks again for all of your input!
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First off, I want to say Thank you, from one veteran to another. I do hope you make it home safely and have no issues (not sure whether you're just TDY or deployed to a war zone).

I do hope for the best for your pup, as well. When you're home, do you reside on base? If so, are you aware that all pit bull type dogs have been banned from all stateside bases? I only ask and bring this to your attention because I would hate for you to have spent all this money on this pup only to be told you can't have him and have to remove him from the base.

I'm glad you've got good friends to look after your pup for you while you're away, and I do hope that he recovers quickly and that you have no further issues with his health. From what you said in your most recent post, it does sound like the garbage could be a contributing factor to him vomiting and having diarrhea. I know my dogs seem to have very sensitive stomachs when it comes to things they shouldn't have. However, I have a 3 yr old that thinks she has to share all her food/snacks with the dogs because as she says, they're her best friends. Its partly my fault for teaching her the importance of sharing, and so unfortunately, the dogs suffer sometimes. Though they don't seem to mind when they get celery with cream cheese or peanut butter on it, or pieces of apple, lol. Thankfully, she loves her grapes too much to share those. Okay, I'm going off on a tangent here.

Your pup is adorable, and I especially love the eye patch. Have you named him yet? Oh, and welcome to the pack! I hope you enjoy your stay on our yard. I look forward to interacting more with you in the future.
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First off, I want to say Thank you, from one veteran to another. I do hope you make it home safely and have no issues (not sure whether you're just TDY or deployed to a war zone).

I do hope for the best for your pup, as well. When you're home, do you reside on base? If so, are you aware that all pit bull type dogs have been banned from all stateside bases? I only ask and bring this to your attention because I would hate for you to have spent all this money on this pup only to be told you can't have him and have to remove him from the base.

I'm glad you've got good friends to look after your pup for you while you're away, and I do hope that he recovers quickly and that you have no further issues with his health. From what you said in your most recent post, it does sound like the garbage could be a contributing factor to him vomiting and having diarrhea. I know my dogs seem to have very sensitive stomachs when it comes to things they shouldn't have. However, I have a 3 yr old that thinks she has to share all her food/snacks with the dogs because as she says, they're her best friends. Its partly my fault for teaching her the importance of sharing, and so unfortunately, the dogs suffer sometimes. Though they don't seem to mind when they get celery with cream cheese or peanut butter on it, or pieces of apple, lol. Thankfully, she loves her grapes too much to share those. Okay, I'm going off on a tangent here.

Your pup is adorable, and I especially love the eye patch. Have you named him yet? Oh, and welcome to the pack! I hope you enjoy your stay on our yard. I look forward to interacting more with you in the future.
I actually have a home off base so that isn't an issue. thanks for that info though because I wasn't aware of that. The puppy is doing great right now, no diahrrea or vomiting and seems to be in good health. The vet tech who is caring for him is still going to keep him quarantined in his home because his German shephard just recently had a litter of pups and he just wants to be safe. After a few more days and everything seems well he said he will go ahead and introduce the pup to his adult German shephard so they can play and interact. But all seems well and it's looking like a bright future.

I haven't come up with a name yet but have been brainstorming haha. A couple of guys I work with suggested the name 'Sadaam' because I am a sniper in the army and the irony in that was just comical to them.
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Not answering ure question but ure pup looks fine to me if its around 8 weeks, he looks sooo cute haha an looks totally normal to me
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