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Old 11-04-2006, 12:30 AM   #16 (permalink)
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thats a beautiful mix,wernt you on molosserdogs for a bit,if you were you remember the debait about the standard and registry.the dog had to be a f3 to be registered as a bandogge if i remember correctly,which meas it had to be three generations deep into breeding bandog to bandog to actually be labled as such.But it is my general feeling that every one is against the bandogge becoming a breed and just remaining a type as am i,since its a working dog much like true working apbts,breeding to a standard and type could take away alot of the working ability of the dog,the standard is very loose to say the least..
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:40 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Oooh, do I get a prize for guessing the right one? hahahahahaha
Hey, let me know about the registry if you could & if I could register my dog or not and how to do it. I'm thinking if they ever ban the ABPT in my area and come knocking on my door trying to tell me I have a APBT I could whip out his papers and tell them to shove it!! I think the guy I got him from still lives in my neighborhood and I think he said the sire is local too, so if I had to get pics of his parents or something to register him
shadyw,this is the contact to a guy i know who i helped out with the standard,give him a email and tell him cane76 from molosser dogs gave you a refrence,he can help you out.http://www.negociorural.com.br/bandog/index2.html
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yes i was on there for a while still pop by to look and see whats happening lol and i do remember the debait about the standard and registry.the dog had to be a f3 to be registered as a bandogge but point i was making is like i said they all have diffrent methods to there breeding programes!!! i think they will never agree to a standard myself but thats j.m.o i think it will remain a working type breed of dog as they will never agree to a show standard or working standard as to many breeders seem to be its my way or the high way lol cheers for your points of veiw
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They look a whole lot alike..... I say the one on the right is the Corso.
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good thread cane, I had the cane pegged at first site. I ve been doing alot of research lately and these dogs have quikly become my second fav.


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Old 11-04-2006, 02:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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yes i was on there for a while still pop by to look and see whats happening lol and i do remember the debait about the standard and registry.the dog had to be a f3 to be registered as a bandogge but point i was making is like i said they all have diffrent methods to there breeding programes!!! i think they will never agree to a standard myself but thats j.m.o i think it will remain a working type breed of dog as they will never agree to a show standard or working standard as to many breeders seem to be its my way or the high way lol cheers for your points of veiw
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and i gusse thats the way it should be,i do believe most bandogge breeders have a standard to breed to,it may be writen it may not be,but nobodys gonna follow a set standard..
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this is the general LOOSE standard compiled,it basically could easly fit in with most bandogge programs..

It was later in its history that the dog became known as the “Bandogge” due, of course, to the fact that the dog did not exist under some other name like: Killer Hound, War dogs, Molossus, Mastiff, Mastyue, Villaticus, Cathenarius, Bulldogs, Dogue the Force Race and Engelsen Doguen.

The extraordinary courage possessed by these dogs is hardly believable.
Bred from a long line of fighting ancestors, a dog was length arrived at of such ferocity and courage as to seem almost insensible to pain.

In the Mr. Edgar Farman book (1900’s), specialist in Bulldog History, his wrote:
”The first mentioned word “Bulldog” in literature in the year 1500 was with the other oldest spelling of the word that is “bonddogge” and “banndogge” .

Mr. Barret Fowler other author of Bulldog books in 1929 wrote:
” In supposing that the Bandog was the ancestor of the Bulldog… Personally, I think not. It is certain that the both dogs were closely allied, but the Bulldog existed as “the Bulldog” at the same period as the Bandog was a recognized breed. Moreover, these dogs differ in several essential characteristics.
The Bandog was rough-coated, generally of yellowish or sandy grey colors. He also possessed a keen scent, the Bandog was manufactured breed produced by a cross between the Mastiff and the Fox-Hound which accounts, of course, for the powers of scents possessed by him.
The Bulldog cross to produce a Bandog probably has been used because was common to use a Bulldog to improvement others breeds”.

The Early History of the Bandogge.

Its is impossible to say how the Bandogge originated, most writers are of opinion that all dogs originated from the wolf (ancient dogs), but the development of the Bandogge still remains a mystery.
When we look up the records, it seems probably that the Old Bulldog must have been crossed with the Mastiff and the Bull Baiting selection.
The Bandogge probably were selected for both the Bull Baiting and the Guardian Mastiffs or the cross of both from the war dogs used in the Crusaders (medieval battles that took place during the 11th through 13th centuries).

William Harrison, in his description of England (1586), mentions the word “Bandogge” because “ many of them are tied up chains and strong bonds in the day time for doing hurt abroad, which is an huge dog, stubborn, uglier , eager, burthenouse of bodie, terrible and fearful to behold and often times more fierce and fell than any Archadian or Corsican cur.

Dr. Caius (1576) states that , among others characteristics, the “Mastiff or Bandogge is serviceable against the fox and the badger, to drive wild and tame swine out of meadows, and pastures, to bite and take the bull by the ears, when occasion so required”.

Modern Breed Description:

The component breeds used to make the old bandog is not completly known. Most agree that Bull x Molosser crosses were used.
Dogs were breed based just from strains that have temperament, phenotype, to do working ability.
The Bandog is a rugged dog, heavily boned and muscled, intimidating when seen and is ferocious when provoked.
A powerful dog with man and beast stopping capabilities there is no doubt this dogs role played in the old world.
Broad skull, short to long muzzle depending on the strain of Bandog with powerful bites, wide shoulder, powerful chest with a rear to match, the Bandog has lived through out the centuries as still present day.
Still adhering to the traditional crossed many have created superb strains.
The Bandog still serves its traditional role and does well in personal protection work, sport work, estate guardian as well as fighting in countries which have legal forms of dog fighting.
This is the Bandog in all its glory.

Appearance:

Height and weight will vary on strains which comprise of different component breeds.
We have supplied several varying Bandog appearance categories based on know component breeds used in creating a Bandog Line.
This is not a giant among dog, but he is a massive animal, very muscular and well balanced overall, showing great strength. He should be alert. His body symmetrical and well proportioned.
The dog should have the appearance of an athlete demanding, compact, muscular and proud.

Foundation Breeding: “A working cross, bred to perform one or more tasks, predominantly of Mastiff / Bull breed cross”.

The first group at least 25% to 50% of:
American Pit bull Terrier APBT, American Staffordshire Terrier AST, Staffordshire Bull Terrier SBT, Staffordshire Terrier ST .

The Second group at least 25% to 50% of:
AKC Mastiff, Boerbell, Bullmastiff, Fila Brasileiro, Neopolitan Mastiff, Rotweiler and Tosa.

The third Group must have less than 25% % of :
American Bulldog, Dogo Argentino, Dogue de Bordeaux, Great Dane, Olde English Bulldog and Bulldog Campeiro.

The fourth Group must have less than 12,5% of: Boxer, Cane Corso and Presa Canario.

OBS:
To call Bandog the cross required F3 at least in one side.
After F3 shall avoid Pure Breed cross introduce. If needed the preference are to cross a Bandog from other kennel (at least F3) to add “vigor” without lose the Working Ability and avoid F1 segregation.

Size:
Size will depend on the dogs genetics and the job it is required to.
Males and females: Height: 20-30 Inches Weight: 70-120 pounds

Drives:
Guardian, Hunting, “Farm Work” and Extreme Sport together also any hard work drive is required.

Specials characteristic:
Companionable with the family owner with intelligence and loyalty and devotion with his master and sometimes stubborn.

Temperament:
A fearless adversary to anyone who threatens his master or property.
Friendly with other animals and dogs.
Display a definite preference for its family, children included, but it is not a dog that gets along very well with a visitor to the home if his master is not at home.

Disposition:
Protect his master against any danger, even to give his own life to protect him.

Body:
Much more typical of the Compact “Mastiffs/Mastins” with a structure of a giant Pit-bull, also retains a good deal of the agility passed on to it by the Pit-bull.

Color:
“A good dog cannot be a bad color”.
Different colors mixed.
Most common colors are: yellowish or sandy grey, any brindle color, black, golden fawn, fawn and red. Other colors are allowed too.
Red nose and black nose.

Coat:
Short, close and medium fine.

Ears:
Preference to a small to big size and hanging.

Neck:
Very strong, muscular and robust.

Eyes:
Dark preferable, but may bear some relation to coat color.

Faults:
Failure to be worked, failure to work successfully, producer of genetic problems in pups, poor immune system, affected by hip and elbow dysplasia.
Small head in proportion with the body.
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cane 76 that's a top read thanks for sharing it, you see here in the UK people are just crossing the breeds and calling them bandogs.

this annoys me because some of them just don't have a clue and see a quick buck for the taking by saying there dogs are bandogs but like i try to tell people there's a lot more to it than just crossing the mastiff x amstaff or whatever their choice of mastiff mix to prove its true potenial as a working dog.

from studying people who know what they are talking about i can see that people in the U.S.A are at the forefront of proving there worth as a working breed.

but it saddens me to think that some of these dogs will at some point end up in a animal shelter at some time as its just youngsters that want the dogs for an image thing and that's true for most bull breeds today here in the UK our re homing centers are full of bull breeds with not to many getting re homed its probably the same in the U.S.A i suppose just my thought of the day.
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hahaha I was going to say the left was a bandog!!! You know why??? Cuz of his mouth, its not as droopy as the right!!!Muhahahahahaha
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cane 76 that's a top read thanks for sharing it, you see here in the UK people are just crossing the breeds and calling them bandogs.

this annoys me because some of them just don't have a clue and see a quick buck for the taking by saying there dogs are bandogs but like i try to tell people there's a lot more to it than just crossing the mastiff x amstaff or whatever their choice of mastiff mix to prove its true potenial as a working dog.

from studying people who know what they are talking about i can see that people in the U.S.A are at the forefront of proving there worth as a working breed.

but it saddens me to think that some of these dogs will at some point end up in a animal shelter at some time as its just youngsters that want the dogs for an image thing and that's true for most bull breeds today here in the UK our re homing centers are full of bull breeds with not to many getting re homed its probably the same in the U.S.A i suppose just my thought of the day.
theres alot of real seroious bandog people actually in europe,although i cant speak on the ametuers or byb types,heres to good kennells.
http://j7kennels.blogspot.com/
http://spkbandogs.blogspot.com/
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heres a few more interesting dogs,and one corso hidden up in the mix..hehe..



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another beautiful swinford bandogge,and the oldest bandogge to ever live"suleyman the magnifecent"and his owner,renowned dog man Murray Pierce."suleyman" lived to be 12

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now thats just not fair lol all of them are great looking dogs and out of the 4 i just cannot make my mind up so im going to cheat a little its either the blue pup or the sandy dog in the last pic but if the push comes to shove im going to say the blue pup lol
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most of the dogs are either personal protection or dogs bred for sports like schutzhund,although they are equaly capable of catching hogs and livestock and weight pull..for some reason all bandogges in weightpull seem to be registered as pits,and it has caused alot of contravorsy..
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