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Old 02-03-2010, 07:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
 

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Hi everyone,

I bought an Amstaff pup 2 weeks ago, and need some guidance. I have owned Dobermanns all my life, and my pup's temperament is quite different to what I am used to.

My first question:
My pup shows a lot of aggression and seems to have a very short temper. He growls, snarls and tries to bite if I hold him in my arms on his back. He also is very food crazy. He is only six weeks old but already shows a lot of dominance behaviours like sizing up my 8 year old female, scratching after having a poo etc.
He is learning very fast, but I want to know what is the right strategy for raising him to be reliable.

Any tips and advice welcome.

Thanks,
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WHy was the puppy removed so soon from the mother? between 6-8 weeks the pups learn manners from the mommy. Did you meet the parents to see what type of temperament they could possibly pass to their offspring?
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WHy was the puppy removed so soon from the mother? between 6-8 weeks the pups learn manners from the mommy. Did you meet the parents to see what type of temperament they could possibly pass to their offspring?

They didn't exactly say how old the puppy was.. Just that they got it 2 weeks ago....And if they got it after that time frame good golly the parents must have been rude. But again, they didn't really say so we really don't know lol
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They didn't exactly say how old the puppy was.. Just that they got it 2 weeks ago....And if they got it after that time frame good golly the parents must have been rude. But again, they didn't really say so we really don't know lol
OP said the pup is only 6 weeks old(I'm assuming at the time of posting), and they got it 2 weeks ago.....
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They didn't exactly say how old the puppy was.. Just that they got it 2 weeks ago....And if they got it after that time frame good golly the parents must have been rude. But again, they didn't really say so we really don't know lol
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The fact is they have the pup now geez people no need to dwell on the past.

Who was the breeder? I am getting an Amstaff puppy this year and I am very excited!
You should look into finding an obedience school to take your pup too. hey can go as early as 12 weeks once they have had all the parvo/distemper vaccines. Sounds like you are going to have a little firecracker on your hands!

Since you have another dog just be ready if you have to separate them if at some point they do not get along.

I just saw your in South Africa I have seen some nice Amstaffs out of there!
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Hi everyone,

I bought an Amstaff pup 2 weeks ago, and need some guidance. I have owned Dobermanns all my life, and my pup's temperament is quite different to what I am used to.

My first question:
My pup shows a lot of aggression and seems to have a very short temper. He growls, snarls and tries to bite if I hold him in my arms on his back. He also is very food crazy. He is only six weeks old but already shows a lot of dominance behaviours like sizing up my 8 year old female, scratching after having a poo etc.
He is learning very fast, but I want to know what is the right strategy for raising him to be reliable.

Any tips and advice welcome.

Thanks,
Bronwyn
South Africa
Be firm and take the dominate roll with him. They need a firm hand but are great dogs. THe growling and biting is probably just play at this age.
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Sorry for my silence - I could not understand why I was not receiving any replies, but now I figured it out

Ok, so I got the pup at 5 weeks of age. I did not think it a good idea, but the breeders insisted the whole litter go at that age. I think that the female might have killed pups in the past and the breeders wanted to avoid a recurrance. I agree that it is a very young age, but now it is done.
I have an 8 year old female at home, and she has been trying to teach him a few basic manners. He is still very dominating toward her, and sometimes downright disrespectful. What to do?

He is starting formal puppy School tomorrow (he is now 9 weeks), but I have been socializing him myself from the day I got him.

I did meet both parents, and they were very friendly. They both did have facial scars, so I assume that there were a few fights between them. The male was very submissive toward his owner (a man), but did not listen to the other owner (the wife). Both parents are registered, and the pups are being registered too.

I see mention of the NILIF method, will have to go read other posts to find out more about that. Could you debrief me perhaps?

New issues:
This pup shows major food aggression. He wolfs his food as if there is no tomorrow, and when I stroke him while eating he ...how to explain...becomes possessive. Not really growling or anything, but he cringes over the bowl and almost wraps his paws around it as if to say 'mine, mine!'.
2 days ago I gave him a smoked pork bone. He went berzerk, growling at me when I try to touch him, giving me 'the white eye' and he even tried to snap. Now this is really not good for this breed to be doing at 9 weeks, and I need real good advice how to handle this and get him to calm down. I admit that I smacked him when he did that, and that leads me to my other question - should I smack him at all? With the Dobermanns 'an occasional physical backup' is acceptable to keep dominance at bay, but I do not want to enourage 'violence', and am wondering whether I should be physical with him at all. I never punish my other dog physically, and only need to speak to her sternly.
Extra note: The whole litter of puppies had this aggression thing, and (at 5 weeks) they were playing, and then loosing their tempers and biting each other aggressively. I found it odd...

I shall leave it there for now, and will check back later today for replies (since I now know how to he he).

Thanks everyone!!
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Sorry for my silence - I could not understand why I was not receiving any replies, but now I figured it out

Ok, so I got the pup at 5 weeks of age. I did not think it a good idea, but the breeders insisted the whole litter go at that age. I think that the female might have killed pups in the past and the breeders wanted to avoid a recurrance. I agree that it is a very young age, but now it is done.
I have an 8 year old female at home, and she has been trying to teach him a few basic manners. He is still very dominating toward her, and sometimes downright disrespectful. What to do?

He is starting formal puppy School tomorrow (he is now 9 weeks), but I have been socializing him myself from the day I got him.

I did meet both parents, and they were very friendly. They both did have facial scars, so I assume that there were a few fights between them. The male was very submissive toward his owner (a man), but did not listen to the other owner (the wife). Both parents are registered, and the pups are being registered too.

I see mention of the NILIF method, will have to go read other posts to find out more about that. Could you debrief me perhaps?

New issues:
This pup shows major food aggression. He wolfs his food as if there is no tomorrow, and when I stroke him while eating he ...how to explain...becomes possessive. Not really growling or anything, but he cringes over the bowl and almost wraps his paws around it as if to say 'mine, mine!'.
2 days ago I gave him a smoked pork bone. He went berzerk, growling at me when I try to touch him, giving me 'the white eye' and he even tried to snap. Now this is really not good for this breed to be doing at 9 weeks, and I need real good advice how to handle this and get him to calm down. I admit that I smacked him when he did that, and that leads me to my other question - should I smack him at all? With the Dobermanns 'an occasional physical backup' is acceptable to keep dominance at bay, but I do not want to enourage 'violence', and am wondering whether I should be physical with him at all. I never punish my other dog physically, and only need to speak to her sternly.
Extra note: The whole litter of puppies had this aggression thing, and (at 5 weeks) they were playing, and then loosing their tempers and biting each other aggressively. I found it odd...

I shall leave it there for now, and will check back later today for replies (since I now know how to he he).

Thanks everyone!!

It sounds like from the get go the "breeder" bred two extremely dog agressive dogs, are you sure they are Amstaff and not APBT? I know that Amstaff or any breed for that matter could be DA but the whole scar thing on the face just doesn't sound right. Your puppy is resource guarding and he clearly has food agression, if the breeder told you that he had to sell them so soon because the mother would kill them that's kind of a red flag. I think the breeder set up these pups for failure by breeding two unstable parents also knowingly that they would have to be removed from the mother so early which would cause instability, fear and poor communication and interaction skills. When you stated that the dogs lost their temper it is really not loosing their temper as if they were going crazy. Their ancestors were dog fighters and they are just being that, dog agressive, dominant puppies. This is the type of temperament that you are going to have to deal with. I would not be surprised if once the puppy is old enough he will try to kill your Doberman. The only advice I can give you is to enroll the dog in obedience and continue exposure to lots of scenarios and people. Do not alpha roll this dog, you should use lots of praise and treats to get him to listen to you. If you act agressive towards the dog when training it, the dog will only learn to return to you with violence and that will escalate. Also, if you are too agressive with the dog, he might develop fear agression and this can be extremely dangerous. YOu have the pup now and there is nothing you can do to return it, now you have to figure out the proper way to train, contain it and take care of it without risking the life or another dog or a human. Remember you are representing the breed in your country and if your dog goes out and kills a dog or hurts someone, it is only going to shine more negative light to our breed. PLease contact a trainer ASAP and start discussing obedience class as soon as your dog is fully vacinated.
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You have to teach the pup that it is your food not his. Your trainer can help you with this but here are a few tips.

NEVER smack you pup, hand correction are not necessary and you will make your dog hand shy. You can correct your dog but you have to know how to do it properly. You also never use an object to hit your dog.
You need to set him up to correct the behavior, give him a bone and take it away from him, have him on leash so he can't run away. If he growls take the bone away and grab him on the scruff and say "NO" if he fights you just hold him by the scruff till he stops fighting you. Also if you need to make a hard correction his little ears make a great correction tool. Of course you are not picking him up by the ear but a little ear pull is ok if you need a stronger correction.

Also do you ever make him submit to you? I would roll him on his back often and if he tries to get away just hold him there till he clams down then when he submits praise him and let him go. You do not have to lay on top of him in an alpha roll just hold him in your arms or lap and make him submit. It sounds like you have a dominant puppy that needs to learn his place.

When he is eating, push him out of his bowl and take it away or have your hand in it. He may push against you but he should not try and bite or growl. If he tries scruff him and tell him NO. You need to make a correction hard enough to stop the behavior but not hard enough he gets scared of you so if you correct him and he continues that behavior it was not hard enough. If he gets scared don't worry you just know that you need to go lighter on him.

As far as your other dog is concerned as long as he is not hurting her let her correct him. If it seems like he is too much for her then you need to step in and tell him no.

Talk to your trainer because it is hard to explain this online they can help you work through these problems and offer other suggestions.
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You have to teach the pup that it is your food not his. Your trainer can help you with this but here are a few tips.

NEVER smack you pup, hand correction are not necessary and you will make your dog hand shy. You can correct your dog but you have to know how to do it properly. You also never use an object to hit your dog.
You need to set him up to correct the behavior, give him a bone and take it away from him, have him on leash so he can't run away. If he growls take the bone away and grab him on the scruff and say "NO" if he fights you just hold him by the scruff till he stops fighting you. Also if you need to make a hard correction his little ears make a great correction tool. Of course you are not picking him up by the ear but a little ear pull is ok if you need a stronger correction.

Also do you ever make him submit to you? I would roll him on his back often and if he tries to get away just hold him there till he clams down then when he submits praise him and let him go. You do not have to lay on top of him in an alpha roll just hold him in your arms or lap and make him submit. It sounds like you have a dominant puppy that needs to learn his place.

When he is eating, push him out of his bowl and take it away or have your hand in it. He may push against you but he should not try and bite or growl. If he tries scruff him and tell him NO. You need to make a correction hard enough to stop the behavior but not hard enough he gets scared of you so if you correct him and he continues that behavior it was not hard enough. If he gets scared don't worry you just know that you need to go lighter on him.

As far as your other dog is concerned as long as he is not hurting her let her correct him. If it seems like he is too much for her then you need to step in and tell him no.

Talk to your trainer because it is hard to explain this online they can help you work through these problems and offer other suggestions.


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wow, sounds like you have alot of work on your hands! good luck!
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