need advice

snwbrd · 12-01-2012, 09:23 PM

ok so bella, my new dog, is 2 1/2 and the only thing she knows is sit, and so i have her sit, before she is let out of her crate, before going outside, and when im taking the leash off or putting it on. but sometimes she just doesnt sit, no matter how i say it, and i dont want to say it too many times, so like when she is in her crate that is a problem area, because it takes a lot to get her to sit to be let out, now ive started saying sit once or twice and if she doesnt do it, i dont let her out, i try again in like 5 minutes or so. but even during training if she dont want to sit she wont sit. she is very stubborn. any advice on what i can do?

Rlopez1200 · 12-01-2012, 09:33 PM

Say sit once, if she doesnt do it... Push her but down and make her sit and wait.... Then praise her and let her out. If you do it everytime she will eventually get the hang of it.

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Rlopez1200 · 12-01-2012, 09:35 PM

Thats why i dont like the whole clicker and treat bull**** because dogs are smart and learn when you have something for them and when you dont and if what they wanna do is more interesting to them... There not gonna listen.

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snwbrd · 12-01-2012, 09:55 PM

she does it perfect about 80% of the time, even without clicker or treats. like when we are about to go outside, but even sometimes when i have clicker and treats in hand she wont do it, she has a very dominate personality i am starting to see, and i know sometimes that has alot to do with it i think

Cain's Mom · 12-01-2012, 10:44 PM

Cain try's to pull that with me. Basically if he doesn't sit for what were doing it doesn't happen. He tries it when I go to put leash on him and I stand there until he sits. We don't go out until he sits for his leash. If he won't after a couple times my husband and our other dog go ahead and go out and I stay in until he sits. He knows sit and he knows to sit for leash on/off so if he wants to be stubborn then he doesn't get the reward. You need to make her sit. As stated above push her butt down and say sit then praise.

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snwbrd · 12-01-2012, 10:49 PM

thanks cains mom, that is like bella, she knows what to do she just doesnt do it, i can almost see her make her mind up that she doesnt feel like sitting. ill do what you say and see where it gets me

**Odin`s_BlueDragon** · 12-01-2012, 11:36 PM

When Odin ignores me and gives me the stink eye I just stand over him and in that annoyed/slightly aggressive tone I say "what did I say?" And then he sits most of the time... if he's really in a mood he'll "talk back" to me and I tell him "kennel" or "chair" and give him a time out if u will. But when I comes to sit and stay till I open the door or crate door I use the door itself. I ask him to sit and start to open the door slowly and if he stands up, I simply shut the door. After a while they get the point, like "ohhhh I have to stay seated till the doors all the way open...".

Jazzy&Veronica · 12-02-2012, 12:06 AM

Sometimes when dogs are very excited, worked up, aroused; it is difficult for them to focus and concentrate - sort of like a hyper child who just ate a bag of M&M's after their ritalin wore off.

That doesn't mean the dog is dominant or doesn't want to listen; but rather in these circumstances that the dog doesn't have the capacity.

For example, waiting to be let out of the crate may be a very exciting time for Bella and sitting and waiting is hard to do. I would bet that practicing impulse control exercises would help.

If you can work your way up to day 15 of Karen Overall's relaxation protocol, I would bet that sitting to be let out of her crate wouldn't be much of a challenge!!

http://www.dogdaysnw.com/doc/Overall...onProtocol.pdf

snwbrd · 12-02-2012, 12:14 AM

the reason i say she is dominate, is because she always tries to hump me, and like nips, kinda like she is scratching herself with her teeth, on me, ive stoped it everytime, but she always does it.

rabbit · 12-02-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by snwbrd

the reason i say she is dominate, is because she always tries to hump me, and like nips, kinda like she is scratching herself with her teeth, on me, ive stoped it everytime, but she always does it.

Don't let her jump at all. The moment her paws leave the ground or she bows down to jump/hump correct her with your voice. You may want to consider keeping her leashed so you'll have better control. I'm not big into the whole dominance theory so when I suggest not letting her jump on the furniture know that it isn't related. Furniture should be off limits until she learns not to jump on humans. Sounds like she just needs to learn some manners. Remember when you tell her to do something don't let up until she complies. Make her sit for everything food, water, to go outside etc. Be patient, calm and persistent. Also working on how long she sits before rewarded is a good idea.

rabbit · 12-02-2012, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rlopez1200

Thats why i dont like the whole clicker and treat bull**** because dogs are smart and learn when you have something for them and when you dont and if what they wanna do is more interesting to them... There not gonna listen.

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Treat training is a great way to help a pup learn, the problem comes when owners don't transition their pets away from treats.

Jazzy&Veronica · 12-02-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by snwbrd

the reason i say she is dominate, is because she always tries to hump me, and like nips, kinda like she is scratching herself with her teeth, on me, ive stoped it everytime, but she always does it.

I think working on impulse control would help those issues as well. Verbally correct her, stop the behavior then re-direct her to a positive behavior.

Like Rabbit I am not an adherant to dominance theory...I think allot can be resolved through consistent training that teaches the dog manners, positive behaviors you want to see and manages the environment in such a way that the dog doesn't have the opportunity to practice "bad" behaviors - which generally tend to be "normal" dog behaviors - like humping, mouthing etc- but behaviors we want to curb in order for the dog to live successfully among humans.

*humping is not necessarily about dominance; it can simply be about excitement and over arousal - so again - relaxation and impulse control strategies are your friends!

Cain's Mom · 12-02-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazzy&Veronica

Sometimes when dogs are very excited, worked up, aroused; it is difficult for them to focus and concentrate - sort of like a hyper child who just ate a bag of M&M's after their ritalin wore off.

That doesn't mean the dog is dominant or doesn't want to listen; but rather in these circumstances that the dog doesn't have the capacity.

For example, waiting to be let out of the crate may be a very exciting time for Bella and sitting and waiting is hard to do. I would bet that practicing impulse control exercises would help.

If you can work your way up to day 15 of Karen Overall's relaxation protocol, I would bet that sitting to be let out of her crate wouldn't be much of a challenge!!

http://www.dogdaysnw.com/doc/Overall...onProtocol.pdf

Good post! I need to do this with Sheba. It would be good for her.

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snwbrd · 12-02-2012, 01:50 AM

thanks for that, i didnt think of it as normal dog behaviours, she hasnt spent a lot of time around people in her life, well good ones at least, so your post kinda made it dawn on me that duh that is why she is having all these behaviors.

**Kingsgurl** · 12-02-2012, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazzy&Veronica

Sometimes when dogs are very excited, worked up, aroused; it is difficult for them to focus and concentrate - sort of like a hyper child who just ate a bag of M&M's after their ritalin wore off.

That doesn't mean the dog is dominant or doesn't want to listen; but rather in these circumstances that the dog doesn't have the capacity.

For example, waiting to be let out of the crate may be a very exciting time for Bella and sitting and waiting is hard to do. I would bet that practicing impulse control exercises would help.

If you can work your way up to day 15 of Karen Overall's relaxation protocol, I would bet that sitting to be let out of her crate wouldn't be much of a challenge!!

http://www.dogdaysnw.com/doc/Overall...onProtocol.pdf

Great post! We often think that a dog 'knows' a command because they can perform the command under certain conditions. If you are only getting an 80% compliance rate when asking for a sit, then she really doesn't know it fully yet. She seems like your average under-trained young dog.
The flea bite (nibbling with front teeth) is not a dominance behavior at all, it's actually an affiliative grooming behavior