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Old 03-29-2010, 07:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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The Bandogge


The Bandogge, or Bandog if you prefer, is not a purebred dog in the way we know the word purebred.
The words Bandogge and Bandog is being used on dogs of mixed Molosser ancestry, most often with Pit Bull as one of parent components.




The name Bandog, or Bandogge, comes from the old Saxon word "banda"; the Saxon word for chain. It was used on watchdogs chained at day and released at night, to carry out its watching and guarding duties. It is quite obvious that the name was used on any chained watchdog, Mastiffs, Bulldogs and dogs of mixed ancestry, but it is also certain that these chained dogs must have been of a recognisable watchdog type, which eliminates all dogs which was not of more or less Molosser blood.




This means that any Molosser cross of today could rightfully be called a Bandog, even if the most common crosses today which is called Bandog is the Mastino Napoletano/Pit Bull and the Bullmastiff/Pit Bull.




One of the fairly common methods of producing Bandogs is by crossing Pit Bull males with Bullmastiff bitches. This cross was earlier much more used in Europe than the Neo/Pit cross. Some refers to this cross as Bandogs, while others, especially in USA, call them Pitbullmastiffs. Considering that the Bullmastiff is a British breed, and that the Pit Bull is derivatived from the British "Bull and Terriers", this cross should be more like the original Bandogge of Britain than the Neo/Pit cross.



Another method to bred Bandogs is to cross the Pit Bull with English Mastiffs, but many breeders is of the opinion that the Mastiff is a too much laidback bred and they prefer using the Neo in the cross instead of the Mastiff, so the cross will be thougher and inhabit more gameness.





History of the Bandog

DNA sequencing has confirmed that all dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) originated from the wolf (Canis lupus); however, the exact development of the original Bandogs still remains a mystery. Although, it is impossible to say exactly how the Bandog originated, it is certain the original Bandogs were bred with a functional purpose, as were all working breeds, and for the Bandog this purpose revolved around guarding and protecting.[citation needed]

Early incarnations of the Bandog probably had bloodlines from bull baiting dogs and the Guardian Mastiffs or the cross of both like the war dogs used in the Crusades.



William Harrison, in his description of England during 1586, first mentions the type in his statement, "Bandogge which is a huge dog, stubborn, uglier, eager, burthenouse of bodie, terrible and fearful to behold and often more fierce and fell than any Archadian or Corsican cur." It is assumed that the word "Bandogge" originated from the use of strong bonds and chains to secure the dogs.[1]

In 1576, Dr. Caius states that, among others characteristics, the "Mastiff or Bandogge is serviceable against the fox and the badger, to drive wild and tame swine out of meadows, and pastures, to bite and take the bull by the ears, when occasion so required." [2]








The Bandogs of old were strictly working dogs, often of various crosses and various sizes. Usually these dogs were coarse-haired hunters, fighters and property protectors without a strictly set type, developed from eastern shepherds and mastiffs crossed with western Bullenbeissers and hounds, with a few local bloodlines eventually being established as specific types in some regions, such as Britain, Spain, Germany, Poland and elsewhere in Europe. One of the most famous Bandog programs in England led to the establishment of a recognized breed, the Bullmastiff.





Foundation breeding

What is reported here is just an estimated expected average range of various foundations breeds commonly seen in various Bandog programs.

The Primary Group , approximate average of 25-75% from American Pit Bull Terrier and/or Bull Terrier.

The Secondary Group ,approximate average of 25-75% from English Mastiff and/or Neapolitan Mastiff.

A Tertiary Group (used in some programs) approximate average of 0-75%: American Bulldog, Boerboel, Bullmastiff, Bulldog Campeiro, Cane Corso, Dogue de Bordeaux, Fila Brasileiro, Great Dane, Perro de Presa Canario,Dogo Argentino, and/or the Tosa Inu.



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Nice dogs i like the 3rd one
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no wonder people have such a hard time figurin out what a pitbull is its so crazy that there are so many different breeds that look so much like the apbt and the only difference really is size and muscle compilation. mix one with another and keep that mix and u have a whole new breed. this was a good read as i'm not a huge reader on the in depth history of where the lines and all that came from. i tend to have the opinion my dogs aren't papered so alot of the info doesn't really pertain to me. as long as i have the basic knowledge to back the breed when asked questions i think thats good enough. for me anyway. the history is kinda cool tho. would love to know what went into that black n white beast with the cropped ears cuz i want one like him some day
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Nice dogs i like the 3rd one
yeah he's a beauty, thats my fave too.
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Those are some beautiful dogs!That was a good read too.
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Those are some beautiful dogs!That was a good read too.
i have to be honest, i really though of you throughout the process, you seem like a bandogge person. that sounds weird doesnt it? im guessing you like the gorgeous beast in the bottom.
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your knowledge of this breed of dog impresses me. Here are some Swinfords, might do a part 2 to this and include info on the man. Thanks!!!













a great blog on the Bandogge
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your knowledge of this breed of dog impresses me. Here are some Swinfords, might do a part 2 to this and include info on the man. Thanks!!!
A post about John Bayard Swinford would make for a interesting read for everyone.
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Yeah, I want more information on these dogs, mos def. Maybe a good schutzhund breed prospect? Are they hardy? I bet they inherit a lot of those health problems though...
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Yeah, I want more information on these dogs, mos def. Maybe a good schutzhund breed prospect? Are they hardy? I bet they inherit a lot of those health problems though...

Schutzhund I don't think they would make a good canidate for that, but for PP work, home guarding, or sentry work they really excell(from what I've learned)

You can go to game-dog.com do an advanced search for user name Lee Robinson and you will learn just about anything you want to know about the Swinford K-9 and his breeding program. Just click the stastics link on his profile, then find all posts link and read away.

Here is a link that talks about one of his breedings a purebreed APBT to a 50%APBT/50% EM, he posted 3 pictures of two of the dogs produced.
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so bully's are bandogges bred for looks?
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i have to be honest, i really though of you throughout the process, you seem like a bandogge person. that sounds weird doesnt it? im guessing you like the gorgeous beast in the bottom.
Hehe,yeah that does sound kinda weird!lol. No doubt that dog at the bottom is gorgeous!I like them all.
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a great blog on the Bandogge
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I really like those.The second one kinda reminds me of a larger male version of Suey.
I love all big type dogs of this nature.
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so bully's are bandogges bred for looks?
Are bullys APBT/Mastiff Crosses?
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Are bullys APBT/AmStaff Crosses?
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