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Old 01-17-2013, 03:12 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Down in Louisiana we call every thing from an Amstaff to an APBT a bull dog,I've got both-been raised around them my whole life,we call'em bulldogs.
Not talking about a Ped. ,you sure got a big Boy there,wish my old girl could still breed-I'd love a pup off him.


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So off a few pictures you would like to breed your dog with this dog? That makes no sense. You don't even know if he accomplished anything and to me he doesn't really fit the AKC standard. Great looking dog but seems big.


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The American Staffordshire Terrier should give the impression of great strength for his size, a well put-together dog, muscular, but agile and graceful, keenly alive to his surroundings. He should be stocky, not long-legged or racy in outline. His courage is proverbial.

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Heavy, slightly arched, tapering from shoulders to back of skull. No looseness of skin. Medium length.

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Fairly short. Slight sloping from withers to rump with gentle short slope at rump to base of tail. Loins slightly tucked.

Body
Well-sprung ribs, deep in rear. All ribs close together. Forelegs set rather wide apart to permit chest development. Chest deep and broad.

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Short in comparison to size, low set, tapering to a fine point; not curled or held over back. Not docked.

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The front legs should be straight, large or round bones, pastern upright. No semblance of bend in front. Hindquarters well-muscled, let down at hocks, turning neither in nor out. Feet of moderate size, well-arched and compact. Gait must be springy but without roll or pace.

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So off a few pictures you would like to breed your dog with this dog? That makes no sense. You don't even know if he accomplished anything and to me he doesn't really fit the AKC standard. Great looking dog but seems big.


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Really could care less about what he may or may not have accomplished,he's a big am staff -but good looking too. I'd love a pup off him,my old girl Cali-she's as pure as they come and she put out a couple big males,not as tall as the subject but just as big,personally I think the AKC is a joke,I've seen a lot of suspect dogs and breeders all AKC down here in my state. So I'm not at all impressed with them. My girl is fixed ,her breeding days are over btw.


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If you don't care what he has accomplished you are breeding for PETS...if you are breeding for PETS ONLY then you are adding to the issue of overpopulation of dogs, not helping!!!


And to the OP...didn't you say his father is a GRAND PUP of Notorius Juan Gotti....if that is true, he cannot be an AKC registered dog...that or the breeders are lieing...correct me if I am wrong.

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Hey guys... I am wanting to know if anyone can tell me a little more regarding the bloodline of my guy Scruff - I posted pics of him in the gallery, but in case you missed them here he is...




Here is his father:


His info: He is the son of Dillenger of Ironman Pits and the grandson of the Notorious Juan Gotty. His unbeatable bloodline contains 27 Champions, 30 Grand Champions, and 8 National Grand Champions.

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The info I got on her isn't specific: Venus is a female powerhouse. Her impeccable bloodline contains 39 champions, 44 grand champions, and 7 national grand champions.Insight and thoughts appreciated!
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Old 01-17-2013, 06:44 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Ur right Steel. Juan Gotti is a ukc dog that is technically a bully. Most juan gotti dogs are in the ABKC.
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Thats what I thought...I looked up the pedigree and saw that it does have AKC in the background but most of the top half is labeled as UNKNOWN....but I know AmBully people love that dog and how he produced and he had a crapload of offspring.

I checked out IRONMAN Pits and all I saw was UKC (possibly) but mostly AMBULLY type dogs.
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Yeah most AmBullies have AmStaff blood. That's the original producing stock. they were supposed to be AmStaff APBT mixed. Although now a days u can't believe some of the peds at all.
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If you don't care what he has accomplished you are breeding for PETS...if you are breeding for PETS ONLY then you are adding to the issue of overpopulation of dogs, not helping!!!


And to the OP...didn't you say his father is a GRAND PUP of Notorius Juan Gotti....if that is true, he cannot be an AKC registered dog...that or the breeders are lieing...correct me if I am wrong.
Actually,the few times I bred my old girl, were for family and hunting,got some great hog dogs out of her-never sold one of my pups,and all are still around with family members. almost all of of her stuff are game and great catchers. A few are just plan old farm dogs. Personally , I don't believe in breeding and selling to the general public. That to mean is what's part of the problem,all these kennels out to make a dollar.


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Thats good to hear...it just seemed odd the way you said if your girl could still breed, you'd take him to her...you knew nothing about his temperament or anything...just seemed more of a backyard breeder thing than someone who is trying to improve the breed.
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Thats good to hear...it just seemed odd the way you said if your girl could still breed, you'd take him to her...you knew nothing about his temperament or anything...just seemed more of a backyard breeder thing than someone who is trying to improve the breed.
It was a backyard breeder statement. Lord only knows what that dogs temperament or genetics is like (no offense to the op, just making a point), but because it "looks" good he'd breed it.
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cute dog , you have his pedigree online? would love to see it. I know some am staff breeders and he is just far from what I see off there yards. I though am bully or mastiff cross when I saw him , either way he is cute.
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Lot's happened here! - Let me clarify a few things

A. NEVER give your girlfriend your GoPitBull Password - She made me and my dog look like a moron.

B. Scruff is UKC Purple Ribbon - Line of blues. He is the great grandson of the notorious juan gotti. His mother's pedigree would be something I would need to get from the breeder. If you want to check out there site you can see it at bluekarmabullies.com - Not claiming him to be perfect, he is just a house pet, but people ask us about his pedigree alot.

C. I wish I would have gotten his ears cropped - too old now

D. He is probably the most layed back pup Ive ever owned. He is almost too layed back. From what I've been told from the breeder... he was the only male of the litter and his sisters were very hyper. Guess that is his way of dealing with THAT bs... just walking away.

E. It's hard to really tell his height from these pics depending on the angle and stuff he isnt as tall as I think some people are thinking. I took this one this morning. Loving the convo lines tho!
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We have a really bad vid quality vid of him on youtube... if anyone's interested. Showing how big of a puss he is if anyone is interested

Here is a vid of dad and momma with some of the pups (older) - The breeder doesn't breed anymore.

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Thanks for clearing some of that up for us. UKC papers make more sense.
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UKC doesn't register am staffs. And, purple ribbon only means there are like 3 or 4? Generations of dogs registered with the UKC. Papers can still be hung, and there could've still been other breeds mixed in before those few generations. Papers are only as honest as the person you got them from. A lot of American bullies are still registered with the UKC. Take a look at the ch. show dog posted earlier. Your dog doesn't resemble it in the least. He doesn't conform to the am staff OR ApBT standard. Period. But he is a pretty boy! And he's a good pet, and that's all that matters.


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