If any can identify whether my dog is full pitbull or not. - Page 2

**American_Pit13** · 02-10-2013, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwhitaker0604

So what about when it comes to bully breeds? When a lot of them look similar, how can you 'see the other breeds'? You have people come on here all the time arguing that their dog is purebred because of it's looks or because the person they got it from said it is. But the reality of it is that looks do not define a dog and what breed it is.
I'll have to side with the others on this. If they don't have knowledge of the dog's origin at all or don't have papers, I'd just call it a mix. It most likely is anyway. Like these BYB saying their dogs are 'American bluenose/Colby' or whatever. They're just mutts. I'm not saying that it can't be a mutt with papers either. Papers are only as honest as the person you get them from.

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You say you'll have to side with the others, yet call out bullies and I am not the one that backs them lmao. I have nothing against bullies I just find it funny that that is what you comment is to me and I have never be one to preach that bullies are purebred.

I also never said that papers make a dog purebred, I said that papers proving lineage of a dog can prove it's purebred. When papers are done false and obvious mixing has happens well then duh ya the papers don't mean anything anymore.

You all seem to be thinking that I am saying the dogs are purebred, however all I am saying is you have no clue how they are breed, so you have no way to know if it is pure bred or not. Regardless over how many may be mixed, doesn't mean all paperless dogs are, and doesn't mean that no papers equals a mixed bred dog. If you think any unpaperd dog is a mutt that's fine as I said before, but I don't agree that no papers means a dog is a mutt. Unknown is unknown.

**redog** · 02-10-2013, 03:04 AM

No question some dogs have a look that is obvious of what they are, but you still can't bet the bank on it. I think the word mutt is a little harsh too. The last thing we should tell some one that their dog is garbage just because there is no pedigree registered on the dog. Most people own a dog because they love the particular dog, not because of what breed they are. Your dog is a dog unless the papers say otherwise. No papers, no big deal. It's still the best dog in your eyes.

**Odin`s_BlueDragon** · 02-10-2013, 03:15 AM

i dunno.. to me i always just felt that uknown=mutt. in the same sense of uknown father=bastard. but either way i love my mutt. not derogatory to me at all...

**redog** · 02-10-2013, 03:16 AM

I'm proud of my mutts lol

Kwhitaker0604 · 02-10-2013, 03:27 AM

I didn't say BULLIES. I said bully breeds. The general 'pit bull type' dogs. I know you don't have bullies. And was not attacking you or anything. Was just curious how someone could see what a dog is mixed with when a lot of breeds look similar. And with am bullies, yeah, I'd consider a lot of them mutts. But I'd rather them be considered their own breed than people thinking they're what true bulldogs should look/act like.
And I know a lot of dogmen didn't register their dogs, or they had handwritten pedigrees. So no, not ALL paperless dogs are mixed. But I'd say nowadays (and depending where you get the dog) it probably is. I guess, yeah, there's no PROOF that a dog, take my shelter dog for example, is mixed, but there's no proof that she's not. So I'm not going to say she is purebred. And I'd tell other people to do the same.

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Cain's Mom · 02-10-2013, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Odin's_BlueDragon

i dunno.. to me i always just felt that uknown=mutt. in the same sense of uknown father=bastard. but either way i love my mutt. not derogatory to me at all...

LOL too funny.

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**angelbaby** · 02-10-2013, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by redog

No question some dogs have a look that is obvious of what they are, but you still can't bet the bank on it. I think the word mutt is a little harsh too. The last thing we should tell some one that their dog is garbage just because there is no pedigree registered on the dog. Most people own a dog because they love the particular dog, not because of what breed they are. Your dog is a dog unless the papers say otherwise. No papers, no big deal. It's still the best dog in your eyes.

I don't think mutt is a bad word, I think more often then not people take that word too harsh. I don't think saying a dog is a mutt is taking away from the value of that dog as a dog. Just as I don't think papers makes a dog. I do understand what Holly is saying , sure there can be dogs with no papers that are pure, it happens all the time. Just as there are papered dogs that are obvious mixes. I think if you don't have proof though then atleast call it a Bully breed or bully breed mix vs stating it is such and such breed where you really can't prove it.

rabbit · 02-10-2013, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by American_Pit13

You can't say a dog is a mutt any more than they can say it is purebred. Having no papers doesn't make a dog a mutt, yes it is very unlikely that the dog is pure of course, but with out papers the lineage is just unknown. No one knows if it is a mutt or pure without having any history on how the dog is bred.

This is a great philosophical approach on this subject and she's actually right when you think about it. The agnostic view (with no papers there's no way to know or not know whether a dog is "pure") on this topic should be the only way to view this matter, however for the better good of the APBT I think the no papers equal mutt is just a better overall approach.
And mutt is in no way a derogatory term towards dogs. It's a synonym for mongrel which means a dog with no definable breed characteristics.

KMdogs · 02-11-2013, 03:38 AM

The word "Mutt" has many definitions just as "Pit Bull" has come to mean many different animals according to the media as well as within the "dog world".

To older folk the term "Mutt" can mean Cur, can mean dog/canine, can also mean dog of unknown OR dog of mixed origin. Depending on region can depend on usage and definition following the name mutt.

However, if you don't want to call a dog a mutt call it a Cur, Pet Dog, Rescue Dog, Shelter Dog or hell better yet just a dog. People are so damned sensitive now in days in HAVING to attach a name to the animal so they can tell others. It ain't OTHERS dog(s), it is YOUR dog.

Function defines, individual pup matures and makes a name for itself. Period. Many that argue what an unknown is, what a "Pit Bull" is, preach.. Don't know what they are talking about themselves thus have no business "educating".

Call a spade a spade. Simple.

**American_Pit13** · 02-11-2013, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KMdogs

The word "Mutt" has many definitions just as "Pit Bull" has come to mean many different animals according to the media as well as within the "dog world".

To older folk the term "Mutt" can mean Cur, can mean dog/canine, can also mean dog of unknown OR dog of mixed origin. Depending on region can depend on usage and definition following the name mutt.

However, if you don't want to call a dog a mutt call it a Cur, Pet Dog, Rescue Dog, Shelter Dog or hell better yet just a dog. People are so damned sensitive now in days in HAVING to attach a name to the animal so they can tell others. It ain't OTHERS dog(s), it is YOUR dog.

Function defines, individual pup matures and makes a name for itself. Period. Many that argue what an unknown is, what a "Pit Bull" is, preach.. Don't know what they are talking about themselves thus have no business "educating".

Call a spade a spade. Simple.

No one here is talking about what a pit bull is. Why is that almost every post you make turns into a debate over what a pit bull is and isn't? Also your last sentence.. You want to blow your load on who should and should not be "educating" blow it else where. You talk down to the majority of our members because they own pets, so the only educating you do is to your friends because no one else cares to wait for you to get off your soap box about what is and is not an APBT long enough to even listen to what else you have to say. The people who actually need educating you treat like shit. Also I said just call it a dog, YOU are the one so concerned on what to label dogs.

To all the rest I understand what you are saying. If a mutt means unknown origin, then yeah it's a mutt. To me it means mixed breed, which is something you don't know unless the mixing is obvious. So there for I am not going to regard peoples dogs as mutt when I have no clue if they are mixed bred. There is nothing wrong with calling it a dog to me. You feel you have to label it a mutt go ahead.

KMdogs · 02-11-2013, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by American_Pit13

No one here is talking about what a pit bull is. Why is that almost every post you make turns into a debate over what a pit bull is and isn't? Also your last sentence.. You want to blow your load on who should and should not be "educating" blow it else where. You talk down to the majority of our members because they own pets, so the only educating you do is to your friends because no one else cares to wait for you to get off your soap box about what is and is not an APBT long enough to even listen to what else you have to say. The people who actually need educating you treat like shit. Also I said just call it a dog, YOU are the one so concerned on what to label dogs.

To all the rest I understand what you are saying. If a mutt means unknown origin, then yeah it's a mutt. To me it means mixed breed, which is something you don't know unless the mixing is obvious. So there for I am not going to regard peoples dogs as mutt when I have no clue if they are mixed bred. There is nothing wrong with calling it a dog to me. You feel you have to label it a mutt go ahead.

Funny since i was in essence siding with you on your main points here.

Not sure i see your point about me "concerned" about labeling a dog, but if you want to believe that so be it... Same as the rest of what you posted that you seem to take "insulting". I had a point to what i said and you may not have got the connection which is fine, most do some don't. Either way it wasn't directed to you to begin with.

The rest is all perspective, you take it one way someone else takes it another, i've educated more than i've had people "run out" tails tucked. People don't want to handle my way theres plenty here that will sugar coat it to their liking.

**American_Pit13** · 02-11-2013, 05:59 AM

Being as I am the one arguing what an unknown is seemed pretty directed to me. Next time I feel like being a bitch I will clarify first.

**ames** · 02-11-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by American_Pit13

You can't say a dog is a mutt any more than they can say it is purebred. Having no papers doesn't make a dog a mutt, yes it is very unlikely that the dog is pure of course, but with out papers the lineage is just unknown. No one knows if it is a mutt or pure without having any history on how the dog is bred.

Yeah you can. The definition of mutt is a dog of mixed heritage OR a dog of unknown heritage, what my boy is. Don't call my dog a mixed breed, you and I have no clue what he is. You call them a mutt because its an indeterminate breed. That's what a mutt is, unknown. How funny it's totally opposite of you. They are all dogs though. Can't call them that then people will know they are all the same lol

zohawn · 02-11-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ames

Yeah you can. The definition of mutt is a dog of mixed heritage OR a dog of unknown heritage, what my boy is. Don't call my dog a mixed breed, you and I have no clue what he is. You call them a mutt because its an indeterminate breed. That's what a mutt is, unknown. How funny it's totally opposite of you. They are all dogs though. Can't call them that them people will know they are all the same lol

she does this a lot.

**American_Pit13** · 02-12-2013, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ames

The definition of mutt is a dog of mixed heritage OR a dog of unknown heritage

I think I made it pretty clear that IMO a mutt is a mixed bred dog. The definition of a mutt varies depending on source. Some add in dogs of unknown heritage while many stick to a mixed bred animal. SO NO I would not call a dog that I do not know if it is mixed bred a mutt. If YOU consider any dog without papers a mutt that is ok (I said that several times too). I understand now that there are people here who consider a dog a mutt even if it is not mixed breed.

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Originally Posted by ames

Don't call my dog a mixed breed, you and I have no clue what he is. You call them a mutt because its an indeterminate breed. That's what a mutt is, unknown.

As said above if you choose to include unknown in your definition that's fine, I do not. The definitions vary as I have said several times and no I DO NOT include a dog of unknown lineage as a mutt. So no I don't think that if you don't know how your dog is bred it automatically makes it a mutt. To me mixed breed and mutt are the same exact thing.

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How funny it's totally opposite of you.They are all dogs though. Can't call them that then people will know they are all the same lol

That's not the opposite, I just don't include unknown as mutt. Um yes I can call them dogs, because Uh yeah they ARE DOGS. THEY ARE ALL DOGS lmao.

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Originally Posted by zohawn

she does this a lot.

Does what a lot post my opinion and be active. Get over it. It's sad how much you follow me around, yet have nothing to add to the thread. Are you like 13? Whats wrong Google didn't bring anything up for you to post on this one?

As I have said SEVERAL times here ( people seem to not be seeing it or just reading what they want to argue with and not the whole thing) that if it is YOUR OPINION that a mutt is a dog with unknown lineage or unpapered then I get why you would call it a mutt.

Before this thread I have never once heard of anyone who considered a dog a mutt regardless of whether it was mixed. So I will say this again I CONSIDER A MUTT TO BE MIXED BREED IF YOU DON'T OK I GET IT.