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Old 02-12-2013, 07:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's very possible to have a pure bred dog with no papers. I have one Things happen, papers are lost and dogs get stolen, that's how I ended up with him in the first place but I was fortunate enought to find his breeders, meet his dam and sire and look at their peds. So no I wouldn't consider every dog with no papers to be a mutt or mixed.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:51 PM   #32 (permalink)
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It's very possible to have a pure bred dog with no papers. I have one Things happen, papers are lost and dogs get stolen, that's how I ended up with him in the first place but I was fortunate enought to find his breeders, meet his dam and sire and look at their peds. So no I wouldn't consider every dog with no papers to be a mutt or mixed.
If you don't know many generations yes I would call that dog a mutt yes. Do you know his grandparents and great grandparents, etc and know they were not a different breed? Then its not unknown and isn't a mutt. Does that make sense? But I never said all non papered dogs are mutts, I said if you do not know your dogs history it is unknown aka a mutt. Some mutts could be mixed and some mutts are unknown like my dog is.

What would you call my dog?

I am also confused, the dictionary isn't something that's opinion to me. Definitions of words, can't be opinions because they are facts. It can be interpreted differently I guess as languages are, I call a soda tonic some people call it pop. But its not something you can really agree to disagree on, when its facts. Its accept or not accept.

What I meant by they are all just dogs and people not calling them that was they all may have physical or mental traits of a breed, but they might not. You can assume things about what the breed might be, but in the end they are a dog, each dog is different no matter what breed it is.

I have also said MANYMANY times on MANY MANY posts that a mutt means you do not know its history. And when people get bent out of shape that they have a pit bull 'cause it looks like one, I have included the following:



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A dog. I don't see why it needs any other label. It's just a dog.

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I am also confused, the dictionary isn't something that's opinion to me. Definitions of words, can't be opinions because they are facts.
Dictionaries don't all have the same definitions ( which as you can see from your post they all say different things). Depending on what dictionary you use would depend on what is included in the definition so no one dictionary is not fact over another. Also I don't see why the dictionaries matter when we are talking about people opinions of what defines a mutt. Being as your first one says "a dog, especially a mongrel" does that mean that dogs are all now mutts? That definition said nothing about undetermined. As I said this is not a dictionary debate as we all could pull up tons of dictionary definitions and get different answers soooo yeah kinda pointless. I know of several that say a mongrel dog or stupid person nothing more. So whats that say for it being a fact if different dictionary say different things? Plain and simple it is not a fact, it is opinion depending on what dictionary you read or who you talk to.

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What I meant by they are all just dogs and people not calling them that was they all may have physical or mental traits of a breed, but they might not. You can assume things about what the breed might be, but in the end they are a dog, each dog is different no matter what breed it is.
I am saying they shouldn't be labeled with any breed at all and just be dogs, so I don't know what you are getting at with breed traits and so forth.
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As I said depending on your dictionary you will get a different definition. Directly out of a 2005 Webster's New College Dictionary. Not a single word about unknown. So no its not fact, it's opinion.

Mutt :A mongrel dog (see mongrel)
Mongrel: 1.An animal or plant, esp dog, resulting from various interbreedings
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:58 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Mine is Websters Dictionary as well, what year was yours published lol?? Looks like you might need an updated one since online has expanded definitions lol Just checked Oxford british and American versions, still has the elaborated definition above. So weird!
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Just bought it brand new. It is for my Business English course and had to be new to be approved. Definition vary no matter what its not about updating lol.
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Not really could have been published a while back and still being sold lol Plus why is there only 2 definitions listed? they don't list all the word meanings? What kinda college you going to girl! (kidding!!)
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Not really could have been published a while back and still being sold lol Plus why is there only 2 definitions listed? they don't list all the word meanings? What kinda college you going to girl! (kidding!!)
LMAO. No the whole first 3 weeks was all about current dictionaries as new words are added as well as using reference books. Jeeezeee how many definitions do you think I can carry! This book is already big enough. You'll be having my carring around an Unabridged dictionary! lmao
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LMAO. No the whole first 3 weeks was all about current dictionaries as new words are added as well as using reference books. Jeeezeee how many definitions do you think I can carry! This book is already big enough. You'll be having my carring around an Unabridged dictionary! lmao
hahaha exactly!!! hey you can get a PDF version on your phone or kindle I am sure!!! lol
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hahaha exactly!!! hey you can get a PDF version on your phone or kindle I am sure!!! lol
No freakin way! I refuse to add anything on my phone. It makes calls and can text end of story! I do want to get a kindle eventually though.
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Oh jeebus! Will u just download the kindle app already. Its free for android and then u can get the books right there on ur phone and not need to carry around 2 devices.
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I think I made it pretty clear that IMO a mutt is a mixed bred dog. The definition of a mutt varies depending on source. Some add in dogs of unknown heritage while many stick to a mixed bred animal. SO NO I would not call a dog that I do not know if it is mixed bred a mutt. If YOU consider any dog without papers a mutt that is ok (I said that several times too). I understand now that there are people here who consider a dog a mutt even if it is not mixed breed.



As said above if you choose to include unknown in your definition that's fine, I do not. The definitions vary as I have said several times and no I DO NOT include a dog of unknown lineage as a mutt. So no I don't think that if you don't know how your dog is bred it automatically makes it a mutt. To me mixed breed and mutt are the same exact thing.



That's not the opposite, I just don't include unknown as mutt. Um yes I can call them dogs, because Uh yeah they ARE DOGS. THEY ARE ALL DOGS lmao.



Does what a lot post my opinion and be active. Get over it. It's sad how much you follow me around, yet have nothing to add to the thread. Are you like 13? Whats wrong Google didn't bring anything up for you to post on this one?




As I have said SEVERAL times here ( people seem to not be seeing it or just reading what they want to argue with and not the whole thing) that if it is YOUR OPINION that a mutt is a dog with unknown lineage or unpapered then I get why you would call it a mutt.

Before this thread I have never once heard of anyone who considered a dog a mutt regardless of whether it was mixed. So I will say this again I CONSIDER A MUTT TO BE MIXED BREED IF YOU DON'T OK I GET IT.
i dont follow you around, youre in like every thread so if i post anywhere you will be there by default.

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Uh hu...Soooo the fact that you have made 2 post in this thread and both of them just to be a smart ass about me (neither had a single thing to do with the discussion) but..... Yeah it is just because I happened to be in this thread. You go to many threads and post nothing other than smart ass remarks about what I said, so yes that is following me around, whether you want to admit you have nothing better to do or not.

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you also bring up google and act like i dont know what im talking about...my sig will speak for me.
You haven't talked about anything or made a single comment in this thread other than to be a smart ass to me so no you don't know what your talking about, and since you had nothing to post in this thread I assume Google had no info for you to copy. I have never seen a post from you that had a single original thought or opinion. I have seen you over and over just repost what Km has said in different words and make it seem as if it was your own thoughts.

Your sig is nothing but quotes from me, which are not serving your purpose as I get told all the time by people of how they like what I had to say in that quote in your sig lmao! the other one is new, but hey glad to see you added another quote. That 2nd one being competently out of context to make it look like you want it to but hey I'm ok with that. Keep letting people think you love my ideas and what I had to say When you post a quote in your sig it comes across as you agreeing
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