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Old 09-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm not sure where in CA you are but I know they just opened another one up here in my area, they are a pet rescue but they have a dedicated Pit program. These dogs get a ton of attention and all get training to pass CGC tests after the dog has done its CGC they pay for the spay/neuter and then adopt them to educated owners. They will tell you straight up these dogs are not for everyone, which I like cause I can't stand to see people sugar coat this breed and lure people into such a false reality with their dogs.

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We thought we DID do the responsible thing by getting a proffeaional trainer (and no, not a petsmart one). He was sent to us through a put bull rescue that we contacted for help. He is te one that said there was no provlem keeping them together still. They have all been crate trained since 8 weeks. I'm sorry if my post was so log that those details eluded. I should have shortened my post, I kind of regret asking the question. I tried to make it clear that I do not need to be berated for everything we've done wrong - we understand and have much regret. We just don't know where I go from here. I have been actively searching for new homes for the dogs that can give them the time and attention they need with absolutely no luck so far. and of course that is heartbreaking for my husband but clearly we have no business owning Pitts. I don't understand them enough and have too much fear of them and he is very rarely home. Anyone that suggests using a Pitt rescue has clearly meet tried that in California - they don't take dogs unless they're badly abused strays. I've contacted many.

I am sorry that you got a bad trainer. Any trainer that knows this breed would have educated you better and set you on the right track to begin with not told you they would be ok together. Where in CA are you?
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I am sorry that you got a bad trainer. Any trainer that knows this breed would have educated you better and set you on the right track to begin with not told you they would be ok together. Where in CA are you?
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I never had a dog that would fight because there was another dog. But with the walking situation and being in public, i would only take one at a time and buy them both harnesses. I bought one for my pit and it actually helps the pulling and jumping because it's controlling their upper body, unlike a chocker chain or a regular collar only controls the neck. I would also just start to walk around the block with the pitts one at a time just to kinda get them leash trained and used to seeing the neighbors. If they try lunging at people and or jump on them them maybe for a little while while walking them change sides of the street that the person is walking or riding a bike down, just to avoid the problem. I hope my info will help.
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Why are you going to be scared of your own pitts. If they don't act right it is all because the owner. Seriously if you dont pay attention and be nice to the dog, he or she wont do it at all for you. If your pitt is aggressive it's because of you and who ever else cares for them. Im sorry to say this but you oclearly shouldn't have a pet you dont pay attention to. Thats cruel, imagine if you were the dog and didnt get the attention needed or whatever it is they want you would feel really bad, does it hurt your feelings when your dog looks at you and you shoo it away or notice it;s sad and wants attention or just be loved. Thats not right your suppose to plan things out before you get a dog it like having a baby, it's serious.
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Why are you going to be scared of your own pitts. If they don't act right it is all because the owner. Seriously if you dont pay attention and be nice to the dog, he or she wont do it at all for you. If your pitt is aggressive it's because of you and who ever else cares for them. Im sorry to say this but you oclearly shouldn't have a pet you dont pay attention to. Thats cruel, imagine if you were the dog and didnt get the attention needed or whatever it is they want you would feel really bad, does it hurt your feelings when your dog looks at you and you shoo it away or notice it;s sad and wants attention or just be loved. Thats not right your suppose to plan things out before you get a dog it like having a baby, it's serious.
So you're saying that a "pitt" (by the way it's 1 t,not 2) is DA because of the owners?MmmHmmm......sounds like you have a bit of learning to do.
And where in her post anywhere did she say that whenever her dogs come over to her she shoos them away and doesn't pay attention to them?I think you're reading a hell of alot into her post.
To the OP,I think crate and rotating is your best option.It's easier than it sounds.If you do decide you cannot handle the huge responsibility it is owning this breed,let alone 2 of this breed,then rehome to someone who knows and understands this breed.Not an ignorant ass like the one who posted above me
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I never had a dog that would fight because there was another dog. I hope my info will help.
Krista, if you never had a dog with real, true traits of the apbt then why would you even comment? Dog aggression is the number 1 issue in this breed and it IS the easiest thing to AVOID! You may have control of it but you still can never trust them not fight. I could never advise anyone other wise.
Some dogs can live in a pack setting, I've seen it! I live it! I have 6 , But I crate and rotate 2. They are perfectly good dogs but they just need some space.....or they'll destroy each other. Not my plan and you cant take chances with a pit bull dog. I do it because they don't have a chance at life any where else
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Krista, if you never had a dog with real, true traits of the apbt then why would you even comment? Dog aggression is the number 1 issue in this breed and it IS the easiest thing to AVOID! You may have control of it but you still can never trust them not fight. I could never advise anyone other wise.
Some dogs can live in a pack setting, I've seen it! I live it! I have 6 , But I crate and rotate 2. They are perfectly good dogs but they just need some space.....or they'll destroy each other. Not my plan and you cant take chances with a pit bull dog. I do it because they don't have a chance at life any where else
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If you are still looking at rescues to take them, look up Mikes Canine Companion on Facebook. He works out of Vegas but knows many rescues and people dealing with bully breeds in CA since he's from there. He might be able to help or give you guys some input also.
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The problem being, we rescues are FLOODED with dogs the owners can no longer keep 'because they don't get along', because 'we are moving' because 'they don't like the cat' because 'we are having a baby' or whatever.
I have 6 dogs here, only 2 of which are mine. My two can interact with supervision, two of the others can with each other, but not those same 4 or combinations of them. It's all day crate rotate here, this dog in this room, this dog in the yard, this dog in the other yard, this dog in another room. Rinse, lather, repeat. Feed, walk, play, train.... go to work and field umpteen e-mails about how someone can't keep 2 dogs because it is 'too hard', yet they seldom want advice on how to make it work, and work well.
It's really not that hard, once you get the hang of it. Dogs that have beef shouldn't have access to each other.
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Some good advice from alot of good peeps.. The title of the post say enough for me not to read the opening statement.

American PIT Bull Terrier ~ is revered worldwide as the ultimate [fighting] dog, thus its origins which EVERYONE is familiar enough to know they FIGHT.

You adopted a "Pit Bull" or what do they call em in shelters now: "pitties"? To soften the term.. no doubt. They really have no clue on dog origin or how to adopt these dogs out for the most part. I started as a vet tech for the SPCA by the way. Soon given the assignment of isolation dogs and dog/partner paring because I was tired of seeing people put down dogs they wanted but didn't need and adopting more dogs in the same manner. Come in put down her APBT who was 7 and fine but no: "she was old and cripple" .. NO she was killing every dog she could. Then the lady sobs and sobs and BAM! she asks can I look at your small dogs do you have jack russells .. ARRRGGHH!!!!!

Begging the question: should you put your dog down or can DA be curbed. ...

(I did read your opening post by the way)


Im a firm believer in understanding origin to understand YOUR problem, because its not the dog. The dog is a dog. You don't expect a wolf to be anything but a wolf do you? Do you expect a fox to be anything less than a fox? How about dogs? Do you expect them to be any less than a dog?


Don't assume anything less than two dogs of the same sex are gonna get in spats and if you do not assume alpha one of your dogs will. STEP UP and handle your dogs. If two adult dogs of opposite sex are suddenly put together they are just as likely to fight. The best fighting dogs ever were female. Don't piss a bitch off! ANYway..

its real simple. All those wanna be dog trainers out there are screwing people up worse than the dogs which makes it even worse for people and the dogs


Richard F. Stratton ................. Get a book any book, and begin to understand the mentality of your dog, not your opinion of it nor the shelters nor the medias but the source of documentation of the breed collaborated for bulldog students like ourselves. Even more so GREAT for educating the PUBLIC not to go waving them in air but for sure keep the knowledge and promote people to search for the answers to their questions by diving in the book themselves.

If you have any confidence in yourself then all the training tips you need are here on GPB. I wouldnt pay any trainer: in which you walk in first day and leave your dog, in which couldn't take a problem dog or my dog and show me a change in behavior right then just something small that I couldnt do. inwhich has no breed knowledge of history or purpose. At most you need someone to show you how to break your dogs up.

get a pill bottle put some change in it, when they start that crap throw it at em or at the ground between em and let out a good gutteral AHT (AT) they'll stop usually and you then say "BAD DOG" I dont use bad dog very often but thats one time I DO. Then if they test you or tempt or taunt each other in any way ... AHT >> IN THE CRATE.. they will go. BIGGEST thing is DON'T panic. Then your dogs are fighting because your scared and they're protecting you. Relax.

People don't adopt teenagers into a home of teenagers without expecting quarrels, so whats the similarities here?

Trying is preparing to fail~ Did you adopt an APBT to save it and give it a stable home: because you obviously like em or you wouldnt have gotten one, or did you "want to try and save one cause he/she seemed so sweeet?" A good deal of ch pit dogs were very sweet and their owners loved them dearly and they were the nanny dog for them while they were at work or in the field. Don't expect a "pitbull" not to fight........

Get TWO crates..

make you a dog corner. Give them a solid chew toy in their crate. Start exercising them more and in doin so work on your training. Dogs are built to run and piss all day..

What do people expect of them? They can't read a multitude of signs, they don't have opposible thumbs, and they are a walking liability because accidents are from ignorance which is simply a lack of knowing; which does not hold up in court.

IF the "pitbull" is not for you then ALL OF THE BREEDS that are considered PIT BULL type and are down from or cousins to such should also be taken off your list. If you can't handle DA and are afraid and don't want to change your views then you probably should just take it back to the shelter.

How ever, if you want to fight for the breed and keep your dog... Do the responsible thing even if you have to crate and rotate. Don't put two dogs of the same sex in the house and expect no fights or spats; don't adopt an adult dog to put in the home with an adult dog and expect no spats.. being relaxed around each other will be the best treatment for them. Go out in the yard and give them each a ball and keep the fetch game going. Walk em down to the water if you have any if not go somewhere that does. A tired dog is a happy dog. Don't tolerate DA and use a bean bag or a pill bottle to catch it in moment or before accompanied with that AHT, if it can be curbed it will be if it can't then CRATE and ROTATE or forget about bulldog breeds all together. IF it seemed like I repeated myself its because some things need to be reiterated.


Good luck and best wishes............
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Some good advice from alot of good peeps.. The title of the post say enough for me not to read the opening statement.

American PIT Bull Terrier ~ is revered worldwide as the ultimate [fighting] dog, thus its origins which EVERYONE is familiar enough to know they FIGHT.

You adopted a "Pit Bull" or what do they call em in shelters now: "pitties"? To soften the term.. no doubt. They really have no clue on dog origin or how to adopt these dogs out for the most part. I started as a vet tech for the SPCA by the way. Soon given the assignment of isolation dogs and dog/partner paring because I was tired of seeing people put down dogs they wanted but didn't need and adopting more dogs in the same manner. Come in put down her APBT who was 7 and fine but no: "she was old and cripple" .. NO she was killing every dog she could. Then the lady sobs and sobs and BAM! she asks can I look at your small dogs do you have jack russells .. ARRRGGHH!!!!!

Begging the question: should you put your dog down or can DA be curbed. ...

(I did read your opening post by the way)


Im a firm believer in understanding origin to understand YOUR problem, because its not the dog. The dog is a dog. You don't expect a wolf to be anything but a wolf do you? Do you expect a fox to be anything less than a fox? How about dogs? Do you expect them to be any less than a dog?


Don't assume anything less than two dogs of the same sex are gonna get in spats and if you do not assume alpha one of your dogs will. STEP UP and handle your dogs. If two adult dogs of opposite sex are suddenly put together they are just as likely to fight. The best fighting dogs ever were female. Don't piss a bitch off! ANYway..

its real simple. All those wanna be dog trainers out there are screwing people up worse than the dogs which makes it even worse for people and the dogs


Richard F. Stratton ................. Get a book any book, and begin to understand the mentality of your dog, not your opinion of it nor the shelters nor the medias but the source of documentation of the breed collaborated for bulldog students like ourselves. Even more so GREAT for educating the PUBLIC not to go waving them in air but for sure keep the knowledge and promote people to search for the answers to their questions by diving in the book themselves.

If you have any confidence in yourself then all the training tips you need are here on GPB. I wouldnt pay any trainer: in which you walk in first day and leave your dog, in which couldn't take a problem dog or my dog and show me a change in behavior right then just something small that I couldnt do. inwhich has no breed knowledge of history or purpose. At most you need someone to show you how to break your dogs up.

get a pill bottle put some change in it, when they start that crap throw it at em or at the ground between em and let out a good gutteral AHT (AT) they'll stop usually and you then say "BAD DOG" I dont use bad dog very often but thats one time I DO. Then if they test you or tempt or taunt each other in any way ... AHT >> IN THE CRATE.. they will go. BIGGEST thing is DON'T panic. Then your dogs are fighting because your scared and they're protecting you. Relax.

People don't adopt teenagers into a home of teenagers without expecting quarrels, so whats the similarities here?

Trying is preparing to fail~ Did you adopt an APBT to save it and give it a stable home: because you obviously like em or you wouldnt have gotten one, or did you "want to try and save one cause he/she seemed so sweeet?" A good deal of ch pit dogs were very sweet and their owners loved them dearly and they were the nanny dog for them while they were at work or in the field. Don't expect a "pitbull" not to fight........

Get TWO crates..

make you a dog corner. Give them a solid chew toy in their crate. Start exercising them more and in doin so work on your training. Dogs are built to run and piss all day..

What do people expect of them? They can't read a multitude of signs, they don't have opposible thumbs, and they are a walking liability because accidents are from ignorance which is simply a lack of knowing; which does not hold up in court.

IF the "pitbull" is not for you then ALL OF THE BREEDS that are considered PIT BULL type and are down from or cousins to such should also be taken off your list. If you can't handle DA and are afraid and don't want to change your views then you probably should just take it back to the shelter.

How ever, if you want to fight for the breed and keep your dog... Do the responsible thing even if you have to crate and rotate. Don't put two dogs of the same sex in the house and expect no fights or spats; don't adopt an adult dog to put in the home with an adult dog and expect no spats.. being relaxed around each other will be the best treatment for them. Go out in the yard and give them each a ball and keep the fetch game going. Walk em down to the water if you have any if not go somewhere that does. A tired dog is a happy dog. Don't tolerate DA and use a bean bag or a pill bottle to catch it in moment or before accompanied with that AHT, if it can be curbed it will be if it can't then CRATE and ROTATE or forget about bulldog breeds all together. IF it seemed like I repeated myself its because some things need to be reiterated.


Good luck and best wishes............
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:41 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Why are you going to be scared of your own pitts. If they don't act right it is all because the owner. Seriously if you dont pay attention and be nice to the dog, he or she wont do it at all for you. If your pitt is aggressive it's because of you and who ever else cares for them. Im sorry to say this but you oclearly shouldn't have a pet you dont pay attention to. Thats cruel, imagine if you were the dog and didnt get the attention needed or whatever it is they want you would feel really bad, does it hurt your feelings when your dog looks at you and you shoo it away or notice it;s sad and wants attention or just be loved. Thats not right your suppose to plan things out before you get a dog it like having a baby, it's serious.
That is incredibly inaccurate to say these dogs are only aggressive because of their owners. This breed in genetically prone to dog aggression. This mentality of "it's all in how you raise them" and "they are lovers not fighters" is exactly why the damn shelters are so full and these dogs continue to die by the hundreseds every day!!!! People push that so much that they truly believe it and when they get a pit type dog that acts normal they flip out and are quick to RE home or dump them in the pound and shelters. If people would actually research the breed they would know this is a DA breed and their wouldn't be as many accidental fights, dogs being dumped and PTS.
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That is incredibly inaccurate to say these dogs are only aggressive because of their owners. This breed in genetically prone to dog aggression. This mentality of "it's all in how you raise them" and "they are lovers not fighters" is exactly why the damn shelters are so full and these dogs continue to die by the hundreds every day!!!! People push that so much that they truly believe it and when they get a pit type dog that acts normal they flip out and are quick to RE home or dump them in the pound and shelters. If people would actually research the breed they would know this is a DA breed and their wouldn't be as many accidental fights, dogs being dumped and PTS.
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