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Old 11-20-2012, 09:02 PM   #46 (permalink)
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You have stated several times you can't afford a trainer to properly evaluate him so now want to find someone to take him on for you, imo yes that is pushing him off on someone else. Even if it's a trainer or rescue, if it were my dog I would see it as still putting others at risk therefore I would not allow it and would do what imo is the responsible thing and make sure for a fact the dog was never allowed to harm someone. That solution is a very permanent one, this is how I feel you may feel different and that's life.
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Well I found someone to test him for free. I'm going to c wut they say first
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It's not his fault he's afraid of ppl. I think his previous owners beat him cuz when I brought him home I could barely reach down to pet him without him thinking I was gunna hit him. It's not fair to punish him bcuz of stupid ppl BUT if it's serious and can't b fixed I am responsible enough to take proper precautions and do what needs to b done
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THis is why I hated to PTS APBTs.. the story always evoles a lil more and alil more and its a great big sob story ending in the inevitable.... At first the dog growled for no reason. I'm with OP ^^ .. Mind your Ps and Qs.. handle your business..

ALWAYS people ask for advice but don't want advice they want to hear that what they feel is best is best, what ever causes less personal guilt. Your really gonna feel guilty if your dog bite the trainers face real good or gnarls his hand.. THen your free assessment just cost you a court case.

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FWIW, here is my honest opinion:

I have always been an advocate for people who want to keep and work with dogs with issues provided they are willing to put in the time, effort, work and be responsible.

I think this particular dog probably could be properly managed; (can't say definitely without seeing the dog.); BUT to the OP...I think you are in way over your head and the odds are likely that this situation won't end well. I honestly don't think you are equiped at this point in time to manage this dog.

I think that overall there is a lack of training and structure in the house that is not helping the situation. You say that "My pits have to bark and growl and charge thru the house when ppl come in the front door " (the dogs are allowed to do this, vs. being crated or tethered when people are at the door until you can work on the issue and teach alternate behaviors), the male is having accidents in the house (potty training schedule?), the dogs are fighting with each other over shoes (supervision, management?) - it sounds like a very chaotic environment and that is not good for a dog with fear issues.

At a minimum to manage this dog in the interim to assess if he is workable; you would need to religiously dedicate yourself to ensuring that you keep the dog and everyone else safe.

On 11/11 you wrote "he's afraid of noises, fast movements, he growls at ppl that come in the door and tries to hide, he even flinches when I reach down to pet him." Why in the name of God would you have him around company 8 days later vs. safely and securely crated and out of the way?

Remember Kingsgurl's advice from that same thread "The most important one is to manage him so that you are not placing him in situations where he is scared and not able to cope appropriately while you work on the second, which is building confidence so he CAN deal with those situations."

I'm truely not trying to be an ass; I am trying to give you honest feedback. Unless you are able to implement STRICT management and make major changes in the household; the dog probably is a big liability. Odds are not good, given you can't afford a trainer. You can certainly educate yourself given that with the internet all the information is out there. However in the various threads you've posted, lots of techniques have been suggested. Yes they are all time intensive (all training is) but have you picked any and started working on them? Be honest with yourself, if you really aren't into putting in the time and effort to work on the situation because you find it enjoyable and it is what you want to do...the situation is not going to fix itself, it's going to get worse.

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FWIW, here is my honest opinion:

I have always been an advocate for people who want to keep and work with dogs with issues provided they are willing to put in the time, effort, work and be responsible.

I think this particular dog probably could be properly managed; (can't say definitely without seeing the dog.); BUT to the OP...I think you are in way over your head and the odds are likely that this situation won't end well. I honestly don't think you are equiped at this point in time to manage this dog.

I think that overall there is a lack of training and structure in the house that is not helping the situation. You say that "My pits have to bark and growl and charge thru the house when ppl come in the front door " (the dogs are allowed to do this, vs. being crated or tethered when people are at the door until you can work on the issue and teach alternate behaviors), the male is having accidents in the house (potty training schedule?), the dogs are fighting with each other over shoes (supervision, management?) - it sounds like a very chaotic environment and that is not good for a dog with fear issues.

At a minimum to manage this dog in the interim to assess if he is workable; you would need to religiously dedicate yourself to ensuring that you keep the dog and everyone else safe.

On 11/11 you wrote "he's afraid of noises, fast movements, he growls at ppl that come in the door and tries to hide, he even flinches when I reach down to pet him." Why in the name of God would you have him around company 8 days later vs. safely and securely crated and out of the way?

Remember Kingsgurl's advice from that same thread "The most important one is to manage him so that you are not placing him in situations where he is scared and not able to cope appropriately while you work on the second, which is building confidence so he CAN deal with those situations."

I'm truely not trying to be an ass; I am trying to give you honest feedback. Unless you are able to implement STRICT management and make major changes in the household; the dog probably is a big liability. Odds are not good, given you can't afford a trainer. You can certainly educate yourself given that with the internet all the information is out there. However in the various threads you've posted, lots of techniques have been suggested. Yes they are all time intensive (all training is) but have you picked any and started working on them? Be honest with yourself, if you really aren't into putting in the time and effort to work on the situation because you find it enjoyable and it is what you want to do...the situation is not going to fix itself, it's going to get worse.

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FWIW, here is my honest opinion:

I have always been an advocate for people who want to keep and work with dogs with issues provided they are willing to put in the time, effort, work and be responsible.

I think this particular dog probably could be properly managed; (can't say definitely without seeing the dog.); BUT to the OP...I think you are in way over your head and the odds are likely that this situation won't end well. I honestly don't think you are equiped at this point in time to manage this dog.

I think that overall there is a lack of training and structure in the house that is not helping the situation. You say that "My pits have to bark and growl and charge thru the house when ppl come in the front door " (the dogs are allowed to do this, vs. being crated or tethered when people are at the door until you can work on the issue and teach alternate behaviors), the male is having accidents in the house (potty training schedule?), the dogs are fighting with each other over shoes (supervision, management?) - it sounds like a very chaotic environment and that is not good for a dog with fear issues.

At a minimum to manage this dog in the interim to assess if he is workable; you would need to religiously dedicate yourself to ensuring that you keep the dog and everyone else safe.

On 11/11 you wrote "he's afraid of noises, fast movements, he growls at ppl that come in the door and tries to hide, he even flinches when I reach down to pet him." Why in the name of God would you have him around company 8 days later vs. safely and securely crated and out of the way?

Remember Kingsgurl's advice from that same thread "The most important one is to manage him so that you are not placing him in situations where he is scared and not able to cope appropriately while you work on the second, which is building confidence so he CAN deal with those situations."

I'm truely not trying to be an ass; I am trying to give you honest feedback. Unless you are able to implement STRICT management and make major changes in the household; the dog probably is a big liability. Odds are not good, given you can't afford a trainer. You can certainly educate yourself given that with the internet all the information is out there. However in the various threads you've posted, lots of techniques have been suggested. Yes they are all time intensive (all training is) but have you picked any and started working on them? Be honest with yourself, if you really aren't into putting in the time and effort to work on the situation because you find it enjoyable and it is what you want to do...the situation is not going to fix itself, it's going to get worse.

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FWIW, here is my honest opinion:

I have always been an advocate for people who want to keep and work with dogs with issues provided they are willing to put in the time, effort, work and be responsible.

I think this particular dog probably could be properly managed; (can't say definitely without seeing the dog.); BUT to the OP...I think you are in way over your head and the odds are likely that this situation won't end well. I honestly don't think you are equiped at this point in time to manage this dog.

I think that overall there is a lack of training and structure in the house that is not helping the situation. You say that "My pits have to bark and growl and charge thru the house when ppl come in the front door " (the dogs are allowed to do this, vs. being crated or tethered when people are at the door until you can work on the issue and teach alternate behaviors), the male is having accidents in the house (potty training schedule?), the dogs are fighting with each other over shoes (supervision, management?) - it sounds like a very chaotic environment and that is not good for a dog with fear issues.

At a minimum to manage this dog in the interim to assess if he is workable; you would need to religiously dedicate yourself to ensuring that you keep the dog and everyone else safe.

On 11/11 you wrote "he's afraid of noises, fast movements, he growls at ppl that come in the door and tries to hide, he even flinches when I reach down to pet him." Why in the name of God would you have him around company 8 days later vs. safely and securely crated and out of the way?

Remember Kingsgurl's advice from that same thread "The most important one is to manage him so that you are not placing him in situations where he is scared and not able to cope appropriately while you work on the second, which is building confidence so he CAN deal with those situations."

I'm truely not trying to be an ass; I am trying to give you honest feedback. Unless you are able to implement STRICT management and make major changes in the household; the dog probably is a big liability. Odds are not good, given you can't afford a trainer. You can certainly educate yourself given that with the internet all the information is out there. However in the various threads you've posted, lots of techniques have been suggested. Yes they are all time intensive (all training is) but have you picked any and started working on them? Be honest with yourself, if you really aren't into putting in the time and effort to work on the situation because you find it enjoyable and it is what you want to do...the situation is not going to fix itself, it's going to get worse.

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Well said Jazzy&Veronica, I completely agree.
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Ok first of all it's not when I have company over. It's when like my husband comes I. The door. And my sisters run in and out. I can't crate them 20 times in a damn hour. My dogs r on a potty schedule and ya they fought over a shoe, I can not pick up EVERYTHING! Next they will b fighting over the cover on the bed or who's spot it is on the couch. I kno the simple things on how to take care of a dog. I took in these dogs not knowing their background to help them. I'm here for advice not to b bitched at on everything I do wrong. Dog owners learn new things everyday. Putting down my dog is a last resort if I really must. I'm going to say for the last time I'm going to get him tested first and get a professionals advice. I think it's rude you guys are telling me I'm not being responsible and in reckless bcuz I believe in giving them a chance! I came here hoping to get some training advice or maybe where I can find my own cheap trainer. Not to b told by everyone to kill my dog. Shame on all of you. When someone commits one crime or breaks the rukes, do we just kill them or throw them in jail? No ppl get a second chance, and I'm this dogs second chance to have a good life, god only knows what he went thru bfor I got him. If I can give him a better life then I'm going to damn well do that. Just bcuz a dog does one thing wrong does NOT mean to put them to sleep
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So, in all honesty, I've only read the last couple pages of responses, as I've seen all that needs to be seen. I've read this same scenario too many times before. I believe every one else has given you the God's honest truth about how to handle this situation. You and your husband are unemployed, leaving you unable to afford to have this dog properly assessed. If someone is going to "test" your dog at no cost, it doesn't sound very reliable to me, unless they're simply doing it out of the kindness of their heart, which rarely happens these days. I'm not going to harp on you for putting your dog in situations he shouldn't have been in, as this has already been addressed as well. The part I take issue with, is that you come with the same "furmommy" excuse about how you rescued him and doing what's knowingly right for not only him, but all other pit bull type dogs, would make YOU feel like you've failed him. What would fail him, in our books, would be continuing to allow him to live his life in fear/pain. It's not about YOUR feelings and emotions here. Those went out the window when you agreed to take this dog into your home and life. It's all about HIM now. If you can round up the money to afford proper housing/containment/care for this dog, and keep him and everyone else safe while you "fix" his issues, then great. But, if you cannot afford to handle this situation responsibly while assessing him and correcting the problems at hand, especially being inexperienced, then the most affordable, and responsible thing to do is to put him out of his misery. What kind of life is it for him to live every day in fear!? To never know the love of humans? How would you feel if you had to live every day in seclusion because you were so afraid of the world? Granted dogs don't think/feel on the same level as humans, you have to put yourself in his "shoes" and look at things from his point of view? You have to take into account his happiness, his well-being, and the life style he'll be damned to if you can't afford to reverse this through proper training and socialization. There are hundreds upon thousands of pit bull type dogs in the shelters everyday that are happy go lucky, with no fear based issues that need homes. In order to keep the breed in good standing and reverse the negativity spread by the media, IT IS UP TO US to handle things accordingly. The motto of this website is "Promoting Responsibility; Increasing Awareness; Doing What Needs To Be Done". We are only trying to uphold that creed, and help you find your way in the dark. Please don't let this dog become another statistic or news headline.
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I have always been an advocate for people who want to keep and work with dogs with issues provided they are willing to put in the time, effort, work and be responsible.

I think this particular dog probably could be properly managed; (can't say definitely without seeing the dog.); BUT to the OP...I think you are in way over your head and the odds are likely that this situation won't end well. I honestly don't think you are equiped at this point in time to manage this dog.

I think that overall there is a lack of training and structure in the house that is not helping the situation. You say that "My pits have to bark and growl and charge thru the house when ppl come in the front door " (the dogs are allowed to do this, vs. being crated or tethered when people are at the door until you can work on the issue and teach alternate behaviors), the male is having accidents in the house (potty training schedule?), the dogs are fighting with each other over shoes (supervision, management?) - it sounds like a very chaotic environment and that is not good for a dog with fear issues.

At a minimum to manage this dog in the interim to assess if he is workable; you would need to religiously dedicate yourself to ensuring that you keep the dog and everyone else safe.

On 11/11 you wrote "he's afraid of noises, fast movements, he growls at ppl that come in the door and tries to hide, he even flinches when I reach down to pet him." Why in the name of God would you have him around company 8 days later vs. safely and securely crated and out of the way?

Remember Kingsgurl's advice from that same thread "The most important one is to manage him so that you are not placing him in situations where he is scared and not able to cope appropriately while you work on the second, which is building confidence so he CAN deal with those situations."

I'm truely not trying to be an ass; I am trying to give you honest feedback. Unless you are able to implement STRICT management and make major changes in the household; the dog probably is a big liability. Odds are not good, given you can't afford a trainer. You can certainly educate yourself given that with the internet all the information is out there. However in the various threads you've posted, lots of techniques have been suggested. Yes they are all time intensive (all training is) but have you picked any and started working on them? Be honest with yourself, if you really aren't into putting in the time and effort to work on the situation because you find it enjoyable and it is what you want to do...the situation is not going to fix itself, it's going to get worse.
Some dogs are "no brainers"; they are "easy" dogs; others aren't.
I've read through your post and in each one you were given great information, information that if used properly would have made the lives of your dogs better. But it doesn't seem like you've started anything. Then you continue to give us the same rhetoric about saving "pitties" and honestly it makes absolutely no difference if you take a dog and then place it in the same situation it was once in (being scared and uncomfortable) he would have been better off going to someone who could handle him and at the moment it appears you have accomplished nothing but bragging rights for "rescuing a pittie" So that leaves you with two options either roll up your sleeves and start working with them (do the two week shut down with him, start crate training both, supervise them better, lay down rules for both pets and family, etc.) or put him to sleep. my dogs are the ones at stake when irresponsible "pittie rescuers" don't handle their business
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Has your friend ever petted him before? Maybe he is associating your friends petting with a bad experience. We used to have a dog that hated red headed children because before we got him he lived with a red head that teased him relentlessly.
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