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Old 01-24-2013, 04:48 PM   #16 (permalink)
 

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kg420- Do you keep your dogs seperated always unless you are there? Ie. do you crate them seperate and rotate the out of crate time?

What is too much time to be in the crate a day?
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Old 01-24-2013, 05:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I only have one dog and I work form home and if I leave he usually comes with me. He's got a spot in front of the fire and I lock up all the doors if I have to leave him home. The cat is crated in the garage also to avoid any issues . I do have a crate for him now but there's really no need to use it at home. I might set it up for him if we had to leave for a few hours but he doesn't really get off his spot or get into anything when were gone and he's not a furniture chewer either so it's not a big necessity to us.
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Old 01-24-2013, 08:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
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kg420- Do you keep your dogs seperated always unless you are there? Ie. do you crate them seperate and rotate the out of crate time?

What is too much time to be in the crate a day?
Since I know Krystal only has one dog, I will answer this too. When I had my foster dog Boss, him and Odin where always seperated when I was not around. I work full time and am gone 10hrs a day. They both had their own crates and could not see each other the from their crates. And when I went to bed, Boss slept in his crate as well, Odin slept in the bed with me. Even now that Boss is no longer with me, Odin is still crated when I am at work or go anywhere without him.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:54 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Where do you live? (in LA there is a pit bull class on sundays at USC). There are classes you can take to learn how to deal with aggression. I have seen dogs go from fighting to happy loving members of a family.
First they HAVE to be physically and mentally exhausted everyday!!!! You have to become the alpha. Don't let anyone else feed them. Put your hand in their bowl while they are eating, pet them. If they growl, take it away!!!! This is an aggressive breed, you have to become the alpha! There is no reason to hit or beat your dogs into submission. Just because they are brothers doesn't mean they will get along. Sometimes same sex bully dogs don't get along. It is going to take serious dedication. Work with them separately and then together. Walk them together everyday, put them on a pinch collar. It should sit above their collar and just below the jaw line. The Idea behind that is it's the same correction the mother would give them. Short quick pulls. No jerking their necks around. If it is to much for you to handle you can also get vibrating collars, they have ones with sound and vibration. You can use what works best for each dog. SOCIALIZE them!!!!!! Dog parks, go to socializing events, classes whatever you can find.
I am a female and I have a well behaved rescued Pit. I have had pits all my life. Love them but remember they are dogs!!!! Do not put your human emotions on them!!!! First they are a dog, second they are a pit bull and third they are your pet! Do not let them rule in the house or on the yard. Dogs need time outs too! Most importantly get them fixed! There are hundreds of Pit Bull dogs in shelters and that get put down everyday.
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I live in San Antonio, Texas. Sorry I took so long to respond!
They have separate cages next to each other. I mostly let them out during the nighttime, or when they have to go to the bathroom, because I live with my parents and their four dogs, so when they make sounds downstairs, my dogs will try and jump over the baby gate to go be involved. I keep a loose muzzle on them for right now because it's hard to just let one out at a time. They've been inseparable since they were 3 weeks old. They're each other's buddies outside of me. But I do not take the muzzles off of them when they are playing because of course one thing can lead to another, although they've only had one "serious" fight as a a result of me trying to wipe off mud from one of their paws. It wasn't anything too violent, but it was enough to prove that they weren't little pups anymore that cuddled together and destroyed paper towel rolls all over the bed.
They're both neutered. Simba, the blonde one, is definitely the dominant one out of the two. I could probably take Jacobi out to PetSmart and not have him growl at one dog or leave my side, but Simba isn't the same way. It's been that way though. When they were younger, Jacobi was the one who loved playing with other dogs, and Simba was the one who would growl and not be as accepting. I've only seen Simba interested in Jacobi and my mom's lab Lola. Other than that, he ignores other dogs, or he growls at them.
I want to be able to do more with them, outside of my upstairs living room. I wish I was confident in training them together without a muzzle, but I don't want to risk it when I don't have to. I used to walk them together, but Simba would walk too fast, whereas Jacobi was a steady walker with me, so I felt like I was constantly strangling Simba.
They definitely listen to me. Simba only barks and semi growls (more like a whine) when I try to put the muzzle of him. It's not a mean growl, it's like a baby's response when they don't want something. He'll paw at me and shake his head and refuse to leave his cage. Jacobi will sometimes make me chase him around the room in a playful manner, but has never growled or barked at me. And when they play together with the muzzles on, they chase each other, wrestle around the floor, and then come snuggle with me on the couch.
In my opinion, they're nearly the perfect dogs, but since I keep them from interacting with other dogs, and they rarely spend time with my mom, it could be the isolation that keeps them behaved. Because even when I take them to the bathroom, they either have a muzzle on or I walk them on a leash (mostly due to the little rat dogs next door that bark everytime they're out there).

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Everyone has already said what needs to be said really. I'm just pitching in to add effect. First the comment about being a softy.. you just can't with this breed. This breed is not for everyone. It takes a special kind of dedication to have one of these dogs. And what you are dealing with now as puppies, will only intesify as they grow. Learn as much as you can about this breed, be honest with yourself and open in how responsible you think you can be with dogs like this. And I have to fully agree with what some are saying here about the true Pit Bull Terrier not being pack animals. They are the polar opposite of wild canine behavior. Self preservation which is present in wild dogs, and in varying degrees in other breeds, has all but been literally bred out of this breed. So many of the pack behaviors/formalities that are there to prevent actual combat, as much as is possible in a situation, are not something you see in this breed as much. They are like rude kids who don't have proper manners. They might skip growling and showing teeth, (which is a bluff and warning all there to prevent an actual fight) and instead just grab a dog and start fighting with no warnings. There's so much about this breed that the average person has no clue about, and they think they are getting a dog they can "train" to be a pack member who can go to the dog park and be a social animal. And yes there have been some Pit Bull or Pit Bull type dogs that have.. as the breed has been watered down and in some cases may hardly act like the true Pit Bull Terrier. However, it is what it is.. and the mottos I have always lived by in this breed are these... Never trust your Pit Bull not to fight. - Never set your Pit Bull up to fail. The only reason this breed ends up in the negative light it does, is because people fail them. Be dedicated with these dogs, think one step ahead of them in any given situation. Always preventing. And last thing I will add.. this breed is dog/animal aggressive.. not human aggressive! If they show human aggression it is not a trait this breed is supposed to have. And personally.. IMO a people aggressive Pit Bull or Pit Bull type dog.. should take a dirt nap. No excuses. I wish you much luck with your dogs. You're in a good place to learn.
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Wait just a second there. This breed is meant to be Dog Aggressive, not human aggressive. That should never ever be tolerated and NO it's not the same thing. I don't agree with only you should feed the dog. The dog should know they are not a head of any human in the house hold including children! My 5 year old helps work and feed my dog as well and they have formed an amazing bond.

Human aggression should never ever be tolerated in this breed. Dog aggression yes, human Agression no! Those HA dogs need to get put down, they're ticking time bombs with bad wiring. Dog Agression is not something you can just cure or train away but it can be very easily managed. Teaching the dog a leave it command along with focused heeling works very very well you just need to be willing to put in the time and effort to train them. And no it's not just same sex, when you have two APBT, regardless of sex you should be prepared for crating and rotating. There's never any guarantee that a pair of opposites will get along.
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