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Old 07-16-2012, 06:40 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
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Honestly, I don't know enough about rodeo to form an opinion. I do know that most animal lovers like to call just about any sport involving animals and hard physical activity cruel. Horse Races, Hog hunting, greyhound racing, earthdog trials, weight pulling. I think you get the point.
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I do know that most animal lovers like to call just about any sport involving animals and hard physical activity cruel. Horse Races, Hog hunting, greyhound racing, earthdog trials, weight pulling. I think you get the point.
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Honestly, I don't know enough about rodeo to form an opinion. I do know that most animal lovers like to call just about any sport involving animals and hard physical activity cruel. Horse Races, Hog hunting, greyhound racing, earthdog trials, weight pulling. I think you get the point.
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I am from Colorado and all of the rodeos I went to were just fine, no animal was abused and all were well care of!! We had several friends who did this and they took wonderful care of them all! However, that is not to say the cruelty doesn't exit amongst the sport. Accidents happen and so does abuse. I personally think overall, they are alright and that it is the the few bad apples that ruin it for everyone else who actually are taking care of them and not abusing their animals......

Just because *some* people choose to abuse their animals and participate in the sport, does not mean the the whole sport itself is bad.

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I grew up around team roping(my uncles a professional roper)and they do treat the horses and cattle like prized possessions.
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I have to disagree with the statement that ranchers treat their animals like gold. I live next to these cowboy folk. So far, I have watched multiple horses die in their care, one horse was gored and they stitched it up themselves and made it continue to work, I've seen the horses so lame that they sway to just to stay on their feet, I gave one of the horses bute just to take away some of the pain. They have no shelters, their feet are never done, the horses run from their owners when they see them coming. Not once have I seen a vet there. They are back yard breeders, they just studded out a stallion whom is sterile. But they do not know he is sterile apparently. His testicles haven't dropped and the stallion is probably 5. If their testicles do not drop, the sperm dies. I've watched them literally run their horses into the ground until they can't move. They abuse their animals, they kick them, hit them, choke them and so on. To top it all off the last incident was when they put weaned babies with the adult geldings, and the one filly was attacked. She was lucky to survive. Again living conditions are horrible, they also keep there stallions in to short of fences. Stallions need to be kept in 6ft or higher fencing. There fences are 4ft at best. One of their damn stallions jumped the fence into our yard and raped my mare. I was just about ready to rip off their heads. They also tend to keep 12-15 horses on there 1 acre property.

These people also do backyard rodeo's. The animals suffer the abuse of a normal rodeo, just this time the cowboys are all drunk. It spooks our animals and to be honest the rest of us all look on in disgust.

I can get proof of all of this. The living conditions, the injuries, the abuse. All I would have to do is sit outside for an hour and take pictures.

All the rest of the people out here are the same. Even a girl I used to be friends with.. she changed. She used to show, and when her horse passed she got into rodeo's. Now she rides her dads horse, and in a year this went from a nice looking gelding, into looking like a worn down rug. He lost his muscle and his back is swayed. In just a year he looks the age of 26, and he is 16. She now see's animals as material objects like every other cowboy. They wear out and break down the animal, which usually dies. And then they just get a new one and do it all over again. I've seen some really, really nice looking horses get ruined, or die. Like one they have now, he isn't rideable. He never had a chance to. He was a 2yr old stallion went at it with the others, got stuck in a fence and permanently ruined his shoulder. He would of been a really nice english horse too.

Not all ranchers are cruel though. Just the ones involved with the rodeo circuits seem to be well, dicks. Animals are worthless to them, replaceable. Rodeo's never used to be so bad. If their animals got hurt they were screwed. Now people have an abundance of replacements, so who cares if they die. Just bring out another poor soul.

It's very sad, and frankly sickens me to see.
I've been to tons of rodeos and I've never see anything like this. Sometimes these guys give 20-30k and up for these horses I couldn't imagine them treat them like anything less than gold and a guy I know rents calfs and cattle out for roping and penning. If those calves were treated badly he wouldnt be doing it. I also must say TONS of foals have been the product of a stud not dropping and the owners mistaking it for being gelded or sterile. That is totally untrue. If they haven't dropped they can still produce foals until they have a surgery to prevent it. I also disagree that a stud needs to be kept in 6ft high fence. That's just like saying a pitbull should be kept on a chain. My aunt breeds horses for a living and had standard height fences. She has never had an issue. I have a stud and I have standard height fences. My neighbors have a mare and we've never had an issue. Animals are very much unpredictable I understand but my stud as well as my aunts studs have excellent ground manners. I keep 3 geldings and a mini horse in the same pasture with my stud and they all get along great.


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Mixed feelings on this. I have never thought about if I was pro rodeo or not. These pics do not really impress me at all. But they could just be pics that were taken for this purpose. I have never really watched a rodeo that close. I guess if they are injurying or hurting the animals I would have to be dead set against it. But if they treat the animals fairly and they are not in danger or anything I would have to lean more towards being in favor of it.
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I am pro-rodeo. This is generally a topic I absolutely hate defending because people are so uptight against animals used in rodeo, its ridiculous. I teamrope (2 ropers; one ropes a steer's horns/head and the other ropes the steer's hind legs). In all of my years, I have literally seen ONE steer have it's leg broken. This SPORT is historically one of the oldest and most traditionally observered and participated in. Rodeo stems from working ranches, many of the events were transformed from ACTUAL techniques used on farm and ranches...even to this day.

Bulls and horses ARE bred to buck. I feel like this topic is hypocritical...especially since many people on this site do use their dogs to pull (which I am also OK with). You can strain your animal by having them pull.

This is where my arguement ends. In conclusion, the animals involved in rodeo are very seldom hurt or killed. With animals rights...its always one extreme or the other. You like that hamburger don't you? Guess how it came about?!
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I have to disagree with the statement that ranchers treat their animals like gold. I live next to these cowboy folk. So far, I have watched multiple horses die in their care, one horse was gored and they stitched it up themselves and made it continue to work, I've seen the horses so lame that they sway to just to stay on their feet, I gave one of the horses bute just to take away some of the pain. They have no shelters, their feet are never done, the horses run from their owners when they see them coming. Not once have I seen a vet there. They are back yard breeders, they just studded out a stallion whom is sterile. But they do not know he is sterile apparently. His testicles haven't dropped and the stallion is probably 5. If their testicles do not drop, the sperm dies. I've watched them literally run their horses into the ground until they can't move. They abuse their animals, they kick them, hit them, choke them and so on. To top it all off the last incident was when they put weaned babies with the adult geldings, and the one filly was attacked. She was lucky to survive. Again living conditions are horrible, they also keep there stallions in to short of fences. Stallions need to be kept in 6ft or higher fencing. There fences are 4ft at best. One of their damn stallions jumped the fence into our yard and raped my mare. I was just about ready to rip off their heads. They also tend to keep 12-15 horses on there 1 acre property.

These people also do backyard rodeo's. The animals suffer the abuse of a normal rodeo, just this time the cowboys are all drunk. It spooks our animals and to be honest the rest of us all look on in disgust.

I can get proof of all of this. The living conditions, the injuries, the abuse. All I would have to do is sit outside for an hour and take pictures.

All the rest of the people out here are the same. Even a girl I used to be friends with.. she changed. She used to show, and when her horse passed she got into rodeo's. Now she rides her dads horse, and in a year this went from a nice looking gelding, into looking like a worn down rug. He lost his muscle and his back is swayed. In just a year he looks the age of 26, and he is 16. She now see's animals as material objects like every other cowboy. They wear out and break down the animal, which usually dies. And then they just get a new one and do it all over again. I've seen some really, really nice looking horses get ruined, or die. Like one they have now, he isn't rideable. He never had a chance to. He was a 2yr old stallion went at it with the others, got stuck in a fence and permanently ruined his shoulder. He would of been a really nice english horse too.

Not all ranchers are cruel though. Just the ones involved with the rodeo circuits seem to be well, dicks. Animals are worthless to them, replaceable. Rodeo's never used to be so bad. If their animals got hurt they were screwed. Now people have an abundance of replacements, so who cares if they die. Just bring out another poor soul.

It's very sad, and frankly sickens me to see.
Don't get me wrong...many of your findings are true. But just like any other subject - there are good and there are bad. Rodeo have always been the same - people just get more money and the cowboys & cowgirls keep getting better at what they do.

In my opinion, feel free to be offended. My horse was a pet and do not get me wrong, I loved him. But he was considered my equiptment when it came to roping. If he was hurt or had a bruised foot...I left him at home - no problem and DID have another horse to use. If I would of had to put him down, I would have. I grew up in a small ranchy-town. My opinion on animals are far different from those who grew up in cities or in a home without large breeds.

I hate that many people see disciplining a horse as abuse. If my horse acts up, I don't have a problem correcting him. A spur to the side, a tap with my rope reminds him that he can't do that. With a horse, especially an animal that has a brain like a sponge and very intelligent - you have to educate constantly. NOW! I have seen something so extreme as a guy whipping a horse with a chain...that is intolerable!!

Not all of the "Rodeo Family" are dicks.
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Don't get me wrong...many of your findings are true. But just like any other subject - there are good and there are bad. Rodeo have always been the same - people just get more money and the cowboys & cowgirls keep getting better at what they do.

In my opinion, feel free to be offended. My horse was a pet and do not get me wrong, I loved him. But he was considered my equiptment when it came to roping. If he was hurt or had a bruised foot...I left him at home - no problem and DID have another horse to use. If I would of had to put him down, I would have. I grew up in a small ranchy-town. My opinion on animals are far different from those who grew up in cities or in a home without large breeds.

I hate that many people see disciplining a horse as abuse. If my horse acts up, I don't have a problem correcting him. A spur to the side, a tap with my rope reminds him that he can't do that. With a horse, especially an animal that has a brain like a sponge and very intelligent - you have to educate constantly. NOW! I have seen something so extreme as a guy whipping a horse with a chain...that is intolerable!!

Not all of the "Rodeo Family" are dicks.
I agree. My best buddy is one of my geldings. He weighs in at around 2200 lbs and if I didn't correct him he would trample me. I have no problem popping him with a rope if he acts up. It takes a lot more pressure with an animal that size to get attention than with a different animal. So a lot of times things may look worse than they are. I've seen horses that were mistreated and its not been at the rodeo.


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